toon25 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Was completely anti-Pardew when first heard he was appointed. But as far as I'm concerned we've looked a better team under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fine. Continue to beat up the monkey whilst the organ grinder stands there smugly watching. But you don't approve of beating up the organ grinder either, you say it's a waste of effort and won't make any difference Dave, hit the off button, this place is finished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fine. Continue to beat up the monkey whilst the organ grinder stands there smugly watching. But you don't approve of beating up the organ grinder either, you say it's a waste of effort and won't make any difference Dave, hit the off button, this place is finished I never said I didn't approve of going after Ashley. My concern is everything that's been proposed will be like giving him a dead leg as opposed to 'beating him up'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 If we fail to pick up a point against Birmingham we'll be exactly where we were in the league when Pardew came in, at best. Except, we'll not have our best forward and we'll be just as close to relegation and further away from Europe than we were when he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueToon Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 If we fail to pick up a point against Birmingham we'll be exactly where we were in the league when Pardew came in, at best. Except, we'll not have our best forward and we'll be just as close to relegation and further away from Europe than we were when he arrived. But do you think Carroll would be here if Hughton was still manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Don't see anything negative about Pardew's reign so far, except he's not Chris Hughton. The only really bad thing that's happened is selling Carroll, and everyone must know that that's nothing to do with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 There are meant to be positives though, not simply no negatives. Or else there was no point. I think Pardew is doing well, but to me to justify the change he needs to be doing significantly better than I believe Hughton would have done. I'm not sure I do, so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 But do you think Carroll would be here if Hughton was still manager? When Carroll was asking for more money Pardew told him to put it in writing, I think Hughton will have taken a different approach so who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Don't see anything negative about Pardew's reign so far, except he's not Chris Hughton. The only really bad thing that's happened is selling Carroll, and everyone must know that that's nothing to do with him. Where's the improvement? Being the same is not good enough after our upgrade to a more experienced manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 There are meant to be positives though, or else there was no point. Not simply no negatives. Well give the man a chance, he's kept the squad together and we've turned in some good performances. We could have easily won against Sunderland, Tottenham and today. We didn't, aye, but that's football for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 There are meant to be positives though, or else there was no point. Not simply no negatives. we appear to be more consistent,strong and organised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 There are meant to be positives though, or else there was no point. Not simply no negatives. We generally look more organised and are playing it through the midfield better. He's doing OK with the resources he has - if Hughton had the same strike force at his disposal I think the results would have been worse than under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 we appear to be more consistent,strong and organised. Yet we appear to be one place higher in the league going into an away game which a defeat will see us at best where we were when he came in, at worst lower depending on other results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 we appear to be more consistent,strong and organised. Yet we appear to be one place higher in the league going into an away game which a defeat will see us at best where we were when he came in, at worst lower depending on other results. Been without Carroll for a while as well, dont forget that mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 we appear to be more consistent,strong and organised. Yet we appear to be one place higher in the league going into an away game which a defeat will see us at best where we were when he came in, at worst lower depending on other results. Nobody's trying to argue with the table. It speaks for itself, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 We generally look more organised and are playing it through the midfield better. He's doing OK with the resources he has - if Hughton had the same strike force at his disposal I think the results would have been worse than under Pardew. We've only started playing through the middle since Shola was injured, we don't know what will happen when he comes back and we have the option of just hoofing it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Been without Carroll for a while as well, dont forget that mate. I know and we chose not to do anything about it, I don't see that as a positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody's trying to argue with the table. It speaks for itself, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I agree with that but we have to measure performance and doing so in any other way is subjective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody's trying to argue with the table. It speaks for itself, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I agree with that but we have to measure performance and doing so in any other way is subjective. I agree, but football is a subjective game, especially on discussion forums! Measuring Pardew just by the progress up or down the table in the tiny amount of time he's been here is mental IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree, but football is a subjective game, especially on discussion forums! Measuring Pardew just by the progress up or down the table in the tiny amount of time he's been here is mental IMO. Football is subjective, results aren't. When can we start to measure progress by using the league table? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree, but football is a subjective game, especially on discussion forums! Measuring Pardew just by the progress up or down the table in the tiny amount of time he's been here is mental IMO. Football is subjective, results aren't. When can we start to measure progress by using the league table? The results are against different standards of opposition, with selection issues and various other problems that are not down to the manager himself, so the only reasonable answer to your question is that the progress under Pardew can be judged after a full season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 The results are against different standards of opposition, with selection issues and various other problems that are not down to the manager himself, so the only reasonable answer to your question is that the progress under Pardew can be judged after a full season. Hughton was judged after 16 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 The results are against different standards of opposition, with selection issues and various other problems that are not down to the manager himself, so the only reasonable answer to your question is that the progress under Pardew can be judged after a full season. Hughton was judged after 16 league games. That's making a questionable assumption that he was sacked based entirely on results... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 That's making a questionable assumption that he was sacked based entirely on results... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 That's making a questionable assumption that he was sacked based entirely on results... may not be so funny if it was judged that he couldn't control his players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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