madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. not just fred, they all do, they have to to survive and realistically they'd be fucked if they didn't. ironically most in here backed the clubs stance of not telling the truth in various behind the scenes incidents for example carrolls "assault" on taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fact is, £35M was an offer which is increasingly looking it was too good to turn down. Sorry, that was just a noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 so do you want ashley to be 100% honest ? In an ideal world, yes. it's not an ideal world, no-one tells the 100% truth man and it would be an awful world if we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 No it doesn't, but people thinking that Ashley is a special case regarding to that he lied to the fans is a little naive. I'm not sure anybody is expecting him to be a special case, lying to the fans is wrong and it doesn't matter how many others do it, it's still wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 It means we're all naive apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 No it doesn't, but people thinking that Ashley is a special case regarding to that he lied to the fans is a little naive. I'm not sure anybody is expecting him to be a special case, lying to the fans is wrong and it doesn't matter how many others do it, it's still wrong. lies keep the world ticking over. we all do it and we wouldn't have it any other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. What has he got to do with this? Well you and others think Ashley not being honest and lying is a special event. When in fact it's the norm, it will continue to happen under Ashley or any new owner that would come in and has happened in the past. People need to get over it tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 it's not an ideal world, no-one tells the 100% truth man and it would be an awful world if we did. I'm not expecting everybody to tell the truth 100% of the time, I just don't expect those running our club are going to consistently lie to us, that's not too much to expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Well you and others think Ashley not being honest and lying is a special event. When in fact it's the norm, it will continue to happen under Ashley or any new owner that would come in and has happened in the past. People need to get over it tbh. You're seeing things which haven't been said, I haven't a clue what you're on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Well the way people talk about it and make constant reference to the event makes a view of that it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Well the way people talk about it and make constant reference to the event makes a view of that it is. If I went out and murdered someone, and then said "well that bloke there murdered someone too", how does it make it any more right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Well the way people talk about it and make constant reference to the event makes a view of that it is. It's not being implied though, is it? You nimrod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 it's not an ideal world, no-one tells the 100% truth man and it would be an awful world if we did. I'm not expecting everybody to tell the truth 100% of the time, I just don't expect those running our club are going to consistently lie to us, that's not too much to expect. i would doubt he's lied more than any other club owner and we'll be at a disadvantage if he goes clean now. with everything in life it depends what the lies are. i would expect anyone in charge of the club to say things are fine even when there is tension. what exactly were the lies he told that set him aside from everyone else ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Well the way people talk about it and make constant reference to the event makes a view of that it is. It's not being implied though, is it? You nimrod. So why has it been brought up then as the 1st point of reference against Ashley then regularly on here?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nobody is saying it's a special event man Quit now neesy, just walk away from this thread. Well the way people talk about it and make constant reference to the event makes a view of that it is. If I went out and murdered someone, and then said "well that bloke there murdered someone too", how does it make it any more right? do you tell the police that you've been speeding ? or give metro inspectors the wrong address ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Probably because his lies were part of a chain of events that lead to us getting relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 i would doubt he's lied more than any other club owner and we'll be at a disadvantage if he goes clean now. with everything in life it depends what the lies are. i would expect anyone in charge of the club to say things are fine even when there is tension. what exactly were the lies he told that set him aside from everyone else ? I'm sure you know what the lies were, it was about Keegan having final say on transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've not got a problem with the owner/chairman either telling lies or keeping schtum about things if it benefits the club. Having people who own/run the club being 100% honest in every interview/press release just doesn't happen imo. It's a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Lies & Pies: The Mike Ashley Story. Would knock something up in MS Paint if I wasn't semi-retired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 i would doubt he's lied more than any other club owner and we'll be at a disadvantage if he goes clean now.no manager ever has the final say with everything in life it depends what the lies are. i would expect anyone in charge of the club to say things are fine even when there is tension. what exactly were the lies he told that set him aside from everyone else ? I'm sure you know what the lies were, it was about Keegan having final say on transfers. no manager ever has the final say, if so pardew could ask for messi and when ashley laughs at him he can claim he didn't have the final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've not got a problem with the owner/chairman either telling lies or keeping schtum about things if it benefits the club. Having people who own/run the club being 100% honest in every interview/press release just doesn't happen imo. It's a game. Where would you draw the line? I don't think anybody is expecting them to be 100% honest but the club shouldn't lie to build peoples hopes up, only to go against what they've said and piss people off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fwiw, technically the phrase 'intentionally misled' was used in the tribunal. Now, for most people that's lying, but strictly speaking, 'lying' and 'misleading' are two different words with different meanings. The second one is actually potentially far more damning. It might be worth those saying 'all people in football lie' considering that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Also forgotten about the Milner deal was he put in a transfer request after he didn't get the new deal he asked for (from the players mouth). Yep, it's true, I've pointed that out a couple of times. The PFA (who also acted as the notably docile young man's contract negotiators, he didn't have an agent) were arguing - making a good argument - that he was being screwed by the club, which led to the transfer request. Long story short, administrative issues and good will saw him sign a contract on terms that had been agreed a long time prior when he was younger and much less valuable, on the understanding it was a kind of retrospective signing of a contract that had commenced earlier. By any reasonable and decent person's standards, he was almost immediately due a new one, and of course the club suddenly began to insist he would not be offered one. Which is one reason why I've had particular suspicions about the predicament they put Carroll in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 no manager ever has the final say, if so pardew could ask for messi and when ashley laughs at him he can claim he didn't have the final say. Give over, you're going to extremes now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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