Ronaldo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Replacing Hughton has turned out to be a very good decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hughton wouldn't have achieved the same IMO he had been shown up a few times this season and he looked worryingly indecisive when we were under the cosh. Pards is a better manager, he makes better decisions and quicker. Loved Hughton as a bloke but in the long term he was never going be the answer, he just doesn't have the nous to be a top manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I feel like Hughton would have delivered slightly worse results, although obviously I don't have much actual evidence for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hughton wouldn't have achieved the same IMO he had been shown up a few times this season and he looked worryingly indecisive when we were under the cosh. Pards is a better manager, he makes better decisions and quicker. Loved Hughton as a bloke but in the long term he was never going be the answer, he just doesn't have the nous to be a top manager. Under the cosh without Tiote? I think if Pards didn't have him he wouldn't be doing so well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too. Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 How many games did Tiote miss under Hughton? He missed 3 under Pardew and in those games we played very well v Sunderland and Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm happy enough with Pardew so far, he's done a good job. Nothing Hughton couldn't have done IMO, but that's irrelevant really considering we'll never know. It's a strange situation because normally an outgoing manager is doing particularly poorly and any upturn is easy to spot. Depends on what sort of timescale you use. After the Arsenal victory (which I will be the first to agree was a fantastic result), our form nosedived drastically. Losing at home to Blackburn 1-2 and West Brom 1-3, drawing at home to Fulham 0-0 and thrashed at Bolton 5-1, teams that would all end up around us or relegated (in the case of W. Brom) were all very poor results. The only respite seemed to be the 1-1 home draw with Chelsea. So if you compare Hughton's last few matches with the results since Pardew took over, the form upturn is clear as day unless you are just deliberately closing your eyes and refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm happy enough with Pardew so far, he's done a good job. Nothing Hughton couldn't have done IMO, but that's irrelevant really considering we'll never know. It's a strange situation because normally an outgoing manager is doing particularly poorly and any upturn is easy to spot. Depends on what sort of timescale you use. After the Arsenal victory (which I will be the first to agree was a fantastic result), our form nosedived drastically. Losing at home to Blackburn 1-2 and West Brom 1-3, drawing at home to Fulham 0-0 and thrashed at Bolton 5-1, teams that would all end up around us or relegated (in the case of W. Brom) were all very poor results. The only respite seemed to be the 1-1 home draw with Chelsea. So if you compare Hughton's last few matches with the results since Pardew took over, the form upturn is clear as day unless you are just deliberately closing your eyes and refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Yes but please look at the injury lists for those games, Pardew has had yet to go through a stage with so many key injuries/suspensions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. I look forward to the calls for Pardew to go when we have our next run of LDLDL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too. Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him Fair point about HBA but it's the same HBA that has not played under Pardew either, so that point is moot. In terms of injuries/suspensions to key players, Pardew has had a more difficult time which made the upturn in form even more impressive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Then again, Pards was without Carroll for a lot of games too. Yes but Carroll despite his reputation was never the hub of the team, unlike Tiote is invaluable to us. Seriously until Tiote gets injured/leaves then we can't judge at all. I mean look at Hughtons luck, he had tons of injuries such as HBA, I mean how was he supposed to tell De Jong would go all dutch on him Fair point about HBA but it's the same HBA that has not played under Pardew either, so that point is moot. In terms of injuries/suspensions to key players, Pardew has had a more difficult time which made the upturn in form even more impressive! How has he had a more difficult time, that is such rubbish, seriously next season I'm going to quote this because Pardew has come in as a new manager and managers always do well when they first come in look at Souness, Roeder etc, seriously I'm not going to say anything more, but next season I think a lot of people will be changing their minds about saying that he's an upgrade when Carlton Cole comes in and partners ol' Shola upfont. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/bossnads/remotruth.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hughton had Tiote for a lot his matches yet we still didn't pull results out the bag, that's indication enough. Plus Tiote's missed 3 of Pardew's 11, that's a fairly high proportion of games missed considering the matches played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to asess Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. I look forward to the calls for Pardew to go when we have our next run of LDLDL. Why do you sound surprised? You know the calls will come Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew. Can you fuck off following me around? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew. Can you f*** off following me around? Cheers. Following you around??? :lol: ... you think too highly of yourself What's your problem? I just happen to disagree with lots of your views You make a silly point on a public forum, of course you'll be shown up for it. Peace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm happy enough with Pardew so far, he's done a good job. You must have missed it. Well, either that or you're deliberately closing your eyes and refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's class when Touchy Dave rears his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's class when Touchy Dave rears his head. Know a lad down the pub called Touchy Dave. Paedophile I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 So it's okay to judge and sack a manager on the basis of five games now? How pathetically short-sighted. Which is why I said it depends on the timescale you use, gosh you really must be blind. Those 5 games should not be used to sessed Hughton's overall 'achievement' as a manager but is a sufficient yardstick to see where our form was going (it's called a trend Dave) and whether our form improved under Pardew. Can you fuck off following me around? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think Pardew has done a top job in difficult circumstances. Look what he has had to deal with A disappointed and sceptical playing squad Fans apathetic to his appointment No tiote for large periods No Carroll for large periods and then being the public face to explain his sale No shola for a few games One of the biggest cup shocks in recent years The guy has the thickest of skin and has done a top top job when considering the above He's massively changed my opinion of him. Top stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think Pardew has done a top job in difficult circumstances. Look what he has had to deal with A disappointed and sceptical playing squad Fans apathetic to his appointment No tiote for large periods No Carroll for large periods and then being the public face to explain his sale No shola for a few games One of the biggest cup shocks in recent years The guy has the thickest of skin and has done a top top job when considering the above He's massively changed my opinion of him. Top stuff Cannot argue against his results, which are impressive. Especially when considering all the stuff he had to deal with, as you mention Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Great to hear and see http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2011/02/23/alan-pardew-delivers-a-future-promise-61634-28216990/? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Great to hear and see http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2011/02/23/alan-pardew-delivers-a-future-promise-61634-28216990/? Critics of Mike Ashley’s transfer blueprint – bringing in young, promising players with a point to prove rather than ‘names’ reaching the end of their career – have accused United of trying to achieve success on the cheap. Who's said that? And who wouldn't want 'success on the cheap'? Piffle, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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