Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He's also pleased for Wolves' manager. Staggering. Be fecking flatout if i heard that, the knacker P.S i'm a weed so it was for joking effect like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pardew has been made to look good by our brilliant recruitment process and the degeneration of the league. We don't have a style, we dont have a definitive game plan, even when we win our performances tend to be drab and aimless. This all in tandem with his inability to properly utilize and get the best out of our best players, like cabaye and santon. Irrespective of our league position, i would look for someone more tactically astute to fulfil the role. I understand what i have just insinuated, which when our league position is taken into consideration seems fucking mental, but i genuinely believe him to be of a hindrance regarding us moving forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He's also pleased for Wolves' manager. Staggering. Agreed. Should have spat on him and kicked him in the balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His team is built on being very narrow and tight and all banks of four are very straight and well ordered. We could get away with it if we had steven taylor but we look a shambles defensively with Williamson and Simpson. he's become extremely scared of other teams counterring us since chelsea did in december but in fact since then we hvave done far worse and the hoof ball has increased (norwich, fulham, spurs). The stranget hign is I don't remember us playing quite this ugly last season. it's a strange set up really. he wants everyone pressing and filling back in high up the pitch and quickly reorganising into very rigid lines. he has no idea how to utilise cabaye or ben arfa. --full back--deep centre half--ball playing centre half--full back --defensive wide man--box to box cm--stopper--defensive wide man-- ------------------------deep forward----poacher-------------------- There's no room for flair because it won't allow the rigid side of our game to work. Cabaye's been adjusted to just be a constant runner and tbf he can do it because of his sheer stamina but he's wasted imo. I'm not sure he's that tactically strong, he knows how to be a tough immobile unit that is hard to break through the middle and poor full backs are backed up by strong defensive wingers but in terms of possession play and movement he has no clue. He either just hopes Cabaye, Jonas, Ba (Hatem when he plays) already have a good enough footballing knowledge to do it without instruction or he genuinely believes the best method is to stop them penetrating us and hitting it towards Ba/player capable of magic. I really hope he has some new formation or plan lined up but I doubt it. My best hope is we manage to sneak 6th come the end of the season and he has pre season to attract some better technical players and rethinks his strategy- hopefully moulding a specific role for Ben Arfa. Pretty much spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He's also pleased for Wolves' manager. Staggering. Agreed. Should have spat on him and kicked him in the balls. Oooh you bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Agreed. Should have spat on him and kicked him in the balls. That would have been a bit OTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His team is built on being very narrow and tight and all banks of four are very straight and well ordered. We could get away with it if we had steven taylor but we look a shambles defensively with Williamson and Simpson. he's become extremely scared of other teams counterring us since chelsea did in december but in fact since then we hvave done far worse and the hoof ball has increased (norwich, fulham, spurs). The stranget hign is I don't remember us playing quite this ugly last season. it's a strange set up really. he wants everyone pressing and filling back in high up the pitch and quickly reorganising into very rigid lines. he has no idea how to utilise cabaye or ben arfa. --full back--deep centre half--ball playing centre half--full back --defensive wide man--box to box cm--stopper--defensive wide man-- ------------------------deep forward----poacher-------------------- There's no room for flair because it won't allow the rigid side of our game to work. Cabaye's been adjusted to just be a constant runner and tbf he can do it because of his sheer stamina but he's wasted imo. I'm not sure he's that tactically strong, he knows how to be a tough immobile unit that is hard to break through the middle and poor full backs are backed up by strong defensive wingers but in terms of possession play and movement he has no clue. He either just hopes Cabaye, Jonas, Ba (Hatem when he plays) already have a good enough footballing knowledge to do it without instruction or he genuinely believes the best method is to stop them penetrating us and hitting it towards Ba/player capable of magic. I really hope he has some new formation or plan lined up but I doubt it. My best hope is we manage to sneak 6th come the end of the season and he has pre season to attract some better technical players and rethinks his strategy- hopefully moulding a specific role for Ben Arfa. This post needs more love. Good tactical insight. Yep, a very very good analysis of things. I agree with pretty much all of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Agreed. Should have spat on him and kicked him in the balls. That would have been a bit OTT. So is the thought that it's 'staggering' for a manager to be pleased for a fellow professional. You'd think he'd come out and said "I'm glad we didn't win that you know!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His team is built on being very narrow and tight and all banks of four are very straight and well ordered. We could get away with it if we had steven taylor but we look a shambles defensively with Williamson and Simpson. he's become extremely scared of other teams counterring us since chelsea did in december but in fact since then we hvave done far worse and the hoof ball has increased (norwich, fulham, spurs). The stranget hign is I don't remember us playing quite this ugly last season. it's a strange set up really. he wants everyone pressing and filling back in high up the pitch and quickly reorganising into very rigid lines. he has no idea how to utilise cabaye or ben arfa. --full back--deep centre half--ball playing centre half--full back --defensive wide man--box to box cm--stopper--defensive wide man-- ------------------------deep forward----poacher-------------------- There's no room for flair because it won't allow the rigid side of our game to work. Cabaye's been adjusted to just be a constant runner and tbf he can do it because of his sheer stamina but he's wasted imo. I'm not sure he's that tactically strong, he knows how to be a tough immobile unit that is hard to break through the middle and poor full backs are backed up by strong defensive wingers but in terms of possession play and movement he has no clue. He either just hopes Cabaye, Jonas, Ba (Hatem when he plays) already have a good enough footballing knowledge to do it without instruction or he genuinely believes the best method is to stop them penetrating us and hitting it towards Ba/player capable of magic. I really hope he has some new formation or plan lined up but I doubt it. My best hope is we manage to sneak 6th come the end of the season and he has pre season to attract some better technical players and rethinks his strategy- hopefully moulding a specific role for Ben Arfa. Pretty much spot on. i don't see Ba as a forward that can play deep, infact im not sure if Cisse and Ba compliment each other at all. then again you spend 8-10 million on a striker which is alot considering our budget, what choice you got? have to play both right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His team is built on being very narrow and tight and all banks of four are very straight and well ordered. We could get away with it if we had steven taylor but we look a shambles defensively with Williamson and Simpson. he's become extremely scared of other teams counterring us since chelsea did in december but in fact since then we hvave done far worse and the hoof ball has increased (norwich, fulham, spurs). The stranget hign is I don't remember us playing quite this ugly last season. it's a strange set up really. he wants everyone pressing and filling back in high up the pitch and quickly reorganising into very rigid lines. he has no idea how to utilise cabaye or ben arfa. --full back--deep centre half--ball playing centre half--full back --defensive wide man--box to box cm--stopper--defensive wide man-- ------------------------deep forward----poacher-------------------- There's no room for flair because it won't allow the rigid side of our game to work. Cabaye's been adjusted to just be a constant runner and tbf he can do it because of his sheer stamina but he's wasted imo. I'm not sure he's that tactically strong, he knows how to be a tough immobile unit that is hard to break through the middle and poor full backs are backed up by strong defensive wingers but in terms of possession play and movement he has no clue. He either just hopes Cabaye, Jonas, Ba (Hatem when he plays) already have a good enough footballing knowledge to do it without instruction or he genuinely believes the best method is to stop them penetrating us and hitting it towards Ba/player capable of magic. I really hope he has some new formation or plan lined up but I doubt it. My best hope is we manage to sneak 6th come the end of the season and he has pre season to attract some better technical players and rethinks his strategy- hopefully moulding a specific role for Ben Arfa. This post needs more love. Good tactical insight. Cabaye isn't really box to box though. He does a lot of running but is rarely close to any of the strikers. Obertan's never a defensive winger either. I don't really think he has a game plan other than "be solid as f***" but it's too rigid. I'm not sure what he tells the lads tbh. Guthrie plays further forward than Cabaye but he has no issue with Yohan playing so deep. Saylor is an aggressive defender and it's Colo who does the sweeping up when they play. There's not really a covering type system atm. I'm pretty certain that's not Pardew's long term game plan. Earlier on i the season it seemed he wanted creativity to come out wide all the time. If he wanted creativity come from a central he would encourage Cabaye forward more. The main problem problem Pardew has with regards to performances is that it's the worst we've seen from one of our "good" sides when in ascendancy in the last 15 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So is the thought that it's 'staggering' for a manager to be pleased for a fellow professional. You'd think he'd come out and said "I'm glad we didn't win that you know!" He might be better off concentrating on the performance of his own team rather than his feelings for other managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 "Not too disappointed" and "a marked improvement from Spurs".. Seriously Alan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So is the thought that it's 'staggering' for a manager to be pleased for a fellow professional. You'd think he'd come out and said "I'm glad we didn't win that you know!" He might be better off concentrating on the performance of his own team rather than his feelings for other managers. Was he stood infront of the players saying "Hey, how about that Terry Connor ey?" like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Really pissed me off today. His stubbornness when the opposition change formation or mentality is unreal and his treatment of Ben Arfa has been dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Was he stood infront of the players saying "Hey, how about that Terry Connor ey?" like? Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at. To me it was just more of his usual bollocks in an attempt to take some of the heat away from his own inept performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Dont see much wrong with what he said in the post match interview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As always after a disappointing result, emotions are running a bit high. A few things stood out for me today that some of alluded to here as well. The purpose of our midfield is as a shield to the back four. That is their overwhelming primary role. Our forward play consists of giving it to Guti to run up the pitch a bit or one of the defenders to try a long ball. The problem with our long ball game (and there is quite a lot of it to analyse tbf) is that it's nearly always pretty straight. Our forwards don't run the channels, we pump it up there for them and if they win it they've pretty much got to deal with it on their own because our midfield is instructed to not venture too far forward and certainly never go beyond the forwards. I guess doing so leaves a gap in case we lose the ball. It's quite easy tactics to read and i think we've seen as the season's gone on more and more even 'lesser' clubs can come up with a fairly effective game plan to stifle it. I do think we are good if the ball goes loose in the box, Ba is an excellent opportunist and Cisse looks he may have that about him too. Strange thing is, with the players we have in Colo, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba and Cisse it's quite easy to imagine how we could pass the ball around with zip and purpose, pulling the oppo lines about and looking for gaps (Guti and Santon would also contribute well i think). Cabaye, further forward, Ba, dropping deep, Cisse looking for runs behind the CBs with Ben Arfa and Cabaye feeding him, Ba making a late run into the box if the ball goes wide. It would seem the natural way to play with team we have. We seem to be trying to play a type of kick and rush football instead. Our performances haven't had much to be excited about for a while and though we have picked some very lucky results, in the end, if you don't play well enough the points start getting away from you. I actually think we'll play the same 11 (injuries permitting) against the Mackems but i've a feeling we won't be so lucky as we were today. MON sets his teams up in a similar mould to Pards but tbh, he's better at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Lacks faith in his team. Very clearly. Has espoused a philosophy that he himself is unwilling to deploy even against a bottom 3 managerless team when we're at home. That alone tells you how little he believes in his "A" team's ability to play his allegedly preferred brand of football. Mind you, with Williamson as a central defender, I'd be scared too. Should have bought someone else. Agreed. And it transmits through to the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Can't believe he made a double substitution as we defended a free-kick. Madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The playing Cabaye deep alongside Tiote would be understandable if we were going to go at them with two attack minded wingers who could run at them and cause problems. But instead we started Ryan Taylor on the right. He honestly may as well have not been there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As always after a disappointing result, emotions are running a bit high. A few things stood out for me today that some of alluded to here as well. The purpose of our midfield is as a shield to the back four. That is their overwhelming primary role. Our forward play consists of giving it to Guti to run up the pitch a bit or one of the defenders to try a long ball. The problem with our long ball game (and there is quite a lot of it to analyse tbf) is that it's nearly always pretty straight. Our forwards don't run the channels, we pump it up there for them and if they win it they've pretty much got to deal with it on their own because our midfield is instructed to not venture too far forward and certainly never go beyond the forwards. I guess doing so leaves a gap in case we lose the ball. It's quite easy tactics to read and i think we've seen as the season's gone on more and more even 'lesser' clubs can come up with a fairly effective game plan to stifle it. I do think we are good if the ball goes loose in the box, Ba is an excellent opportunist and Cisse looks he may have that about him too. Strange thing is, with the players we have in Colo, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba and Cisse it's quite easy to imagine how we could pass the ball around with zip and purpose, pulling the oppo lines about and looking for gaps (Guti and Santon would also contribute well i think). Cabaye, further forward, Ba, dropping deep, Cisse looking for runs behind the CBs with Ben Arfa and Cabaye feeding him, Ba making a late run into the box if the ball goes wide. It would seem the natural way to play with team we have. We seem to be trying to play a type of kick and rush football instead. Our performances haven't had much to be excited about for a while and though we have picked some very lucky results, in the end, if you don't play well enough the points start getting away from you. I actually think we'll play the same 11 (injuries permitting) against the Mackems but i've a feeling we won't be so lucky as we were today. MON sets his teams up in a similar mould to Pards but tbh, he's better at it. Another good analysis. Again I cannot disagree too much with that. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Can't believe he made a double substitution as we defended a free-kick. Madness. Its fucking amateur stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The playing Cabaye deep alongside Tiote would be understandable if we were going to go at them with two attack minded wingers who could run at them and cause problems. But instead we started Ryan Taylor on the right. He honestly may as well have not been there. Ryan Taylor probably spent as much time in the middle as he did on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 "Hoof and Cross Pardew" Coined Aye wasnt lying about his tactics and formations but got ass raped on so many occasions. Watch the football, we have been bad even in matches we have won. Listen to the crowd, even going up 2-0 the crowd were not absorbed into the match and being the 12th player. This might be a problem. honestly i dont think Pardew has it in him to play good and fast passing football as he promised, we dont look like we progress in that direction in any shape or manner. I will say this again and hope i dont get slack for it, replace Pardew at the end of the season or the one after , if we could get someone proven and better at getting results while playing positive football , WHY NOT? Not much to analyze about how we played today, hoof and cross and got 2 goals but was one dimensional, then when we got founded out which is increasingly frequent, we do the same and hope we can get a goal back playing that way. We must be one of the bottom teams in terms of the different variations of goals attempts in open play. So route one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 at many of the people in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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