Guest Invicta_Toon Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Croatian players: Silvio Maric(Newcstle United) Bosko Balaban(Aston Villa) Igor Biscan(Liverpool) Niko Kranjcar(Portsmouth) Slaven Bilic(Everton,West Ham) Davor Suker(Arsenal,West Ham) Igor Stimac(Derby,West Ham) Alen Boksic(Middlesbrough) not biased at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Re: post regarding Argentinians. It's absurd to be judging Tevez and Mascherano after what? 2 months? Pathetic. Heinze's is arguably the best left back in the world so I don't know where that came from. Crespo also played well, was top scorer (iirc) during his last season here. And regarding Brazilians, Juninho was a star when he was here. Don't know how anyone could say he was one of the 'worst' Prem players. Similarly Gilberto has been a lynchpin in an Arsenal side that has played brilliant football. Edu was class for Arsenal, we should have snapped him up when he was on a free and with Baptista, how can you judge him after 2 months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Arteta is average at best. Looks a lot better than he is in a industrialised Everton team. Bollocks. He's class. Has excellent control, fantastic technique. Just because he's a simple player (similar to Alonso) doesn't mean he's 'average'. He does what he's supposed to do extremely well when in fact, he could actually do a lot more (like he showed when he was with Athletic Madrid and Rangers) but doesn't need to. We would be lucky to have him in our team and dictating the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Arteta is average at best. Looks a lot better than he is in a industrialised Everton team. Bollocks. He's class. Has excellent control, fantastic technique. Just because he's a simple player (similar to Alonso) doesn't mean he's 'average'. He does what he's supposed to do extremely well when in fact, he could actually do a lot more (like he showed when he was with Athletic Madrid and Rangers) but doesn't need to. We would be lucky to have him in our team and dictating the game. I rate him, but he'd be Luque mkII for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Croatian players: Silvio Maric(Newcstle United) Bosko Balaban(Aston Villa) Igor Biscan(Liverpool) Niko Kranjcar(Portsmouth) Slaven Bilic(Everton,West Ham) Davor Suker(Arsenal,West Ham) Igor Stimac(Derby,West Ham) Alen Boksic(Middlesbrough) not biased at all Bilic, Suker and Stimac were very good IMO, and Asanovic did quite well at Derby. Of course you can;'t expect positive things being said about Croats coming from a Serb...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Croatian players: Silvio Maric(Newcstle United) Bosko Balaban(Aston Villa) Igor Biscan(Liverpool) Niko Kranjcar(Portsmouth) Slaven Bilic(Everton,West Ham) Davor Suker(Arsenal,West Ham) Igor Stimac(Derby,West Ham) Alen Boksic(Middlesbrough) not biased at all Bilic, Suker and Stimac were very good IMO, and Asanovic did quite well at Derby. Of course you can;'t expect positive things being said about Croats coming from a Serb...... Even Biscan wasn't that terrible. He's right about Maric, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Croatian players: Silvio Maric(Newcstle United) Bosko Balaban(Aston Villa) Igor Biscan(Liverpool) Niko Kranjcar(Portsmouth) Slaven Bilic(Everton,West Ham) Davor Suker(Arsenal,West Ham) Igor Stimac(Derby,West Ham) Alen Boksic(Middlesbrough) not biased at all Bilic, Suker and Stimac were very good IMO, and Asanovic did quite well at Derby. Of course you can;'t expect positive things being said about Croats coming from a Serb...... Even Biscan wasn't that terrible. He's right about Maric, though. forgot to mention Jarni (didnt even play a game for Coventry), Stanic (what a goal against the Mackems), Strupar, Zivkovic, Prosinecki ,Vucko, Mornar (Portsmouth) can't think of many Serbs, just Ilic and Milosevic, and they were shyte! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shearer_united Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Was Glenn Roeder a fantastic player back in his days ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 It's conclusive Luque is SHIT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stormrider Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 It's conclusive Luque is not SHIT agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 spanish & south american. dunno why people have voted oriental. Its not like they're not suited to the premiership, just not good enough. Park Ji-Sung seems to play decent enough in the prem (not outstanding mind you). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 There's not enough of a sample to actually judge 'oriental' players. The only ones that have tried to make it are Li Tie, Sun Ji Hai, Park Ji Sung, Nakata, Inamoto and a few others. Seriously, not enough of a sample to judge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 There's not enough of a sample to actually judge 'oriental' players. The only ones that have tried to make it are Li Tie, Sun Ji Hai, Park Ji Sung, Nakata, Inamoto and a few others. Seriously, not enough of a sample to judge. But RELATIVELY, they have been poor. Many of the nationalities has had some ****ing proper failures, even just at this club - france (Boumwrong), Spain (Marcelino, Luque), Africa (Faye, Babayaro, Ameobi), Croatia (Maric), Ireland (Carr), et al. Oh, and the person who said Arteta was just average - unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 There's not enough of a sample to actually judge 'oriental' players. The only ones that have tried to make it are Li Tie, Sun Ji Hai, Park Ji Sung, Nakata, Inamoto and a few others. Seriously, not enough of a sample to judge. But RELATIVELY, they have been poor. Many of the nationalities has had some ****ing proper failures, even just at this club - france (Boumwrong), Spain (Marcelino, Luque), Africa (Faye, Babayaro, Ameobi), Croatia (Maric), Ireland (Carr), et al. Oh, and the person who said Arteta was just average - unbelievable. Do you post just for the sake of posting? FFS nothing is black and white. Every nation will have decent players that have made it - France (Henry, Vieira), Spain (Alonso), Africa (Drogba, Essien), Ireland (Given, Duff) et al - and they will have players that haven't made it. I'd say Park has made it; getting regular appearances for the team on top of the table isn't something to look down upon. Sun made it till injury ruined this past couple of seasons for him but before that? A mainstay in a decent-ish Man City side. It's not a relative thing. If you ARE going to look at a 'relative' thing, then how many English players don't make it? Just count up all the players in the Championship, League 1 etc. etc. and you'll find out. Relatively, English players make the worst Premiership players but that's obviously an absurd statement and that's why we can't look at things relatively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexharrisonnufc Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 does Ali Dia count the one that played for southampton for like 20 minutes, wonderful signing by souness he also played for gateshead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 There's not enough of a sample to actually judge 'oriental' players. The only ones that have tried to make it are Li Tie, Sun Ji Hai, Park Ji Sung, Nakata, Inamoto and a few others. Seriously, not enough of a sample to judge. But RELATIVELY, they have been poor. Many of the nationalities has had some ****ing proper failures, even just at this club - france (Boumwrong), Spain (Marcelino, Luque), Africa (Faye, Babayaro, Ameobi), Croatia (Maric), Ireland (Carr), et al. Oh, and the person who said Arteta was just average - unbelievable. Do you post just for the sake of posting? FFS nothing is black and white. Every nation will have decent players that have made it - France (Henry, Vieira), Spain (Alonso), Africa (Drogba, Essien), Ireland (Given, Duff) et al - and they will have players that haven't made it. I'd say Park has made it; getting regular appearances for the team on top of the table isn't something to look down upon. Sun made it till injury ruined this past couple of seasons for him but before that? A mainstay in a decent-ish Man City side. It's not a relative thing. If you ARE going to look at a 'relative' thing, then how many English players don't make it? Just count up all the players in the Championship, League 1 etc. etc. and you'll find out. Relatively, English players make the worst Premiership players but that's obviously an absurd statement and that's why we can't look at things relatively. Where did i say anything was black and white?? What i said was that many of the nationalities had some terrible players, even at our club. The inference was that it is impossible to select a nation that provides the worst players, because no country/countries provides entirely bad players. If you can't pick that up, i'm sorry. I'll try to spell things out in more simple terms next time. The only relative thing i mentioned was the Oriental one (a false grouping anyway, btw), and its true - relative to other nations/regions, the Orient has produced the weaker players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kinaldo Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Albert Ferrer was great at Chelsea in his first couple of years. Ivan Campo has excelled at Bolton. Fernando Hierro was fantastic during his short spell at the Reebok. Xabi Alonso and Cesc Fabregas are big succeses. Reyes was at times unbelievably good but just failed to settle in London. Luis Garcia was never really a great player even in Spain but has done quite well. So I guess people are voting for the Spanish based on Morientes and Marcelino. Or Luque even though he's hardly had an opportunity to prove himself (6 Prem starts). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Albert Ferrer was great at Chelsea in his first couple of years. Ivan Campo has excelled at Bolton. Fernando Hierro was fantastic during his short spell at the Reebok. Xabi Alonso and Cesc Fabregas are big succeses. Reyes was at times unbelievably good but just failed to settle in London. Luis Garcia was never really a great player even in Spain but has done quite well. So I guess people are voting for the Spanish based on Morientes and Marcelino. Or Luque even though he's hardly had an opportunity to prove himself (6 Prem starts). In which he's proved himself shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 the poll says ON AVERAGE :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest sunderlandsuck Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 i'd have to say south american, when you concider the skill involved compared to how they play, i can ponly think of wor nobby who has done well, just think of the two cockney argies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I agree about South Americans. I just think the pace is too quick for most of them, although as with all nationalities there are exceptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kinaldo Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Albert Ferrer was great at Chelsea in his first couple of years. Ivan Campo has excelled at Bolton. Fernando Hierro was fantastic during his short spell at the Reebok. Xabi Alonso and Cesc Fabregas are big succeses. Reyes was at times unbelievably good but just failed to settle in London. Luis Garcia was never really a great player even in Spain but has done quite well. So I guess people are voting for the Spanish based on Morientes and Marcelino. Or Luque even though he's hardly had an opportunity to prove himself (6 Prem starts). In which he's proved himself shite. Yeah and how many bad games did Henry and Bergkamp have when they first arrived at Arsenal? I can tell u it was more than 6 anyway. Lucky for them and Arsenal they had a patient set of fans and manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Scottish? Not because they have a different style of play but simply because they aren't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest newcastle4life Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Spanish and South american seem to struggle the way english teams play and the more physical style and pace Oriental players arent the best and struggle for speed or strengh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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