SEMTEX Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miguel Piñero Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In a front two at a lesser club he's capable of 20+ a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In a front two at a lesser club he's capable of 20+ a season. Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in consecutive seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in multiple seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Didier Drogba Wayne Rooney Either you rate Walcott too highly, or you think 20+ goals a season is a lot more achievable than it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I absolutely cringe like fuck when people even begin to compare Walcott with Henry, like. Even if its just saying a goal was 'Henry-esque', or throwaway comment about the #14. Just massive every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Isn't Brek Shea fairly skinny and lightweight? He's gonna enjoy training with those c***s. He's pretty tall for a dancy player. Like Cristiano Ronaldo I say. I know he's tall but I remember reading he was massively weak as p*ss. Well he's not a bull by any means. He's got plenty of talent, just still very raw. Could see him very easily wasting away on the bench at Stoke. He and Michael Kightly will become good friends. Speaking of, from his wiki page: "He grew up supporting Manchester United but switched allegiances to Tottenham Hotspur after he realized that he was glory hunting." Because being from Essex and supporting Spurs isn't also glory hunting. We actually have a large constituency in Essex - although Basildon is West Ham. However, and more to the point, he actually played for us as a kid . Bit harsh. Plus, he was born in 86. Not too many glory-hunters will have followed us in the late 90s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miguel Piñero Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In a front two at a lesser club he's capable of 20+ a season. Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in consecutive seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in multiple seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Didier Drogba Wayne Rooney Either you rate Walcott too highly, or you think 20+ goals a season is a lot more achievable than it is. Is that in all comps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Isn't Brek Shea fairly skinny and lightweight? He's gonna enjoy training with those c***s. He's pretty tall for a dancy player. Like Cristiano Ronaldo I say. I know he's tall but I remember reading he was massively weak as p*ss. Well he's not a bull by any means. He's got plenty of talent, just still very raw. Could see him very easily wasting away on the bench at Stoke. He and Michael Kightly will become good friends. Speaking of, from his wiki page: "He grew up supporting Manchester United but switched allegiances to Tottenham Hotspur after he realized that he was glory hunting." Because being from Essex and supporting Spurs isn't also glory hunting. We actually have a large constituency in Essex - although Basildon is West Ham. However, and more to the point, he actually played for us as a kid . Bit harsh. Plus, he was born in 86. Not too many glory-hunters will have followed us in the late 90s. Useless bit of info but in my previous employment as removals man, i moved Michael Kightly and his family when he was 16 or so, he had a lovely looking sister. And this is for you Leffe, i moved Darren Caskey just after he left Spurs.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In a front two at a lesser club he's capable of 20+ a season. Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in consecutive seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Players in the last 10 years who have scored 20+ goals a season, in multiple seasons: Thierry Henry Ruud van Nistelrooy Carlos Tevez Didier Drogba Wayne Rooney Either you rate Walcott too highly, or you think 20+ goals a season is a lot more achievable than it is. Is that in all comps No. Premier League. I'd agree that 20+ in all comps is achievable, especially with all the Europa League football he'd see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Isn't Brek Shea fairly skinny and lightweight? He's gonna enjoy training with those c***s. He's pretty tall for a dancy player. Like Cristiano Ronaldo I say. I know he's tall but I remember reading he was massively weak as p*ss. Well he's not a bull by any means. He's got plenty of talent, just still very raw. Could see him very easily wasting away on the bench at Stoke. He and Michael Kightly will become good friends. Speaking of, from his wiki page: "He grew up supporting Manchester United but switched allegiances to Tottenham Hotspur after he realized that he was glory hunting." Because being from Essex and supporting Spurs isn't also glory hunting. We actually have a large constituency in Essex - although Basildon is West Ham. However, and more to the point, he actually played for us as a kid . Bit harsh. Plus, he was born in 86. Not too many glory-hunters will have followed us in the late 90s. Useless bit of info but in my previous employment as removals man, i moved Michael Kightly and his family when he was 16 or so, he had a lovely looking sister. And this is for you Leffe, i moved Darren Caskey just after he left Spurs.. Ah, Darren Caskey, we liked him . Tidy little player. Ah well. Didn't realize his son now plays for Brighton (thanks Wiki - and Jesus, now that makes me feel old). Reminds me about Danny Hill - was around at the same time and looked absolutely brilliant in the reserves, but couldn't make the step up. He ended up in darkest Essex too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. I don't get the whole he must play up front thing from the media either, imho he is at his best in a wide forward role where he can still cut inside and get goals. If it was 10-15 years ago and most teams played 2 strikers then yes he would thrive up front but on his own I just can't see it. His major weakness as a player isn't an inherent lack of talent- he's got plenty- but poor decision making, typically he does his very best stuff when he doesn't have as much time to think about what he has to do while often (not always see his first goal vs us) when he has time something goes wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Isn't Brek Shea fairly skinny and lightweight? He's gonna enjoy training with those c***s. He's pretty tall for a dancy player. Like Cristiano Ronaldo I say. I know he's tall but I remember reading he was massively weak as p*ss. Well he's not a bull by any means. He's got plenty of talent, just still very raw. Could see him very easily wasting away on the bench at Stoke. He and Michael Kightly will become good friends. Speaking of, from his wiki page: "He grew up supporting Manchester United but switched allegiances to Tottenham Hotspur after he realized that he was glory hunting." Because being from Essex and supporting Spurs isn't also glory hunting. We actually have a large constituency in Essex - although Basildon is West Ham. However, and more to the point, he actually played for us as a kid . Bit harsh. Plus, he was born in 86. Not too many glory-hunters will have followed us in the late 90s. Useless bit of info but in my previous employment as removals man, i moved Michael Kightly and his family when he was 16 or so, he had a lovely looking sister. And this is for you Leffe, i moved Darren Caskey just after he left Spurs.. Ah, Darren Caskey, we liked him . Tidy little player. Ah well. Didn't realize his son now plays for Brighton (thanks Wiki - and Jesus, now that makes me feel old). Reminds me about Danny Hill - was around at the same time and looked absolutely brilliant in the reserves, but couldn't make the step up. He ended up in darkest Essex too. I remember Spurs coming and signing Southend's two full backs, Edinburgh and Austin who were both crap, yet ignored Chris Powell. Ah yes Danny Hill, he was Championship Manager-tastic before it became FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. Hatem would do just as fine on the left imho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. not that it would ever happen (or rather it could just not here) but cisee with ben arfa and walcott in behind would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Isn't Brek Shea fairly skinny and lightweight? He's gonna enjoy training with those c***s. He's pretty tall for a dancy player. Like Cristiano Ronaldo I say. I know he's tall but I remember reading he was massively weak as p*ss. Well he's not a bull by any means. He's got plenty of talent, just still very raw. Could see him very easily wasting away on the bench at Stoke. He and Michael Kightly will become good friends. Speaking of, from his wiki page: "He grew up supporting Manchester United but switched allegiances to Tottenham Hotspur after he realized that he was glory hunting." Because being from Essex and supporting Spurs isn't also glory hunting. We actually have a large constituency in Essex - although Basildon is West Ham. However, and more to the point, he actually played for us as a kid . Bit harsh. Plus, he was born in 86. Not too many glory-hunters will have followed us in the late 90s. Useless bit of info but in my previous employment as removals man, i moved Michael Kightly and his family when he was 16 or so, he had a lovely looking sister. And this is for you Leffe, i moved Darren Caskey just after he left Spurs.. Ah, Darren Caskey, we liked him . Tidy little player. Ah well. Didn't realize his son now plays for Brighton (thanks Wiki - and Jesus, now that makes me feel old). Reminds me about Danny Hill - was around at the same time and looked absolutely brilliant in the reserves, but couldn't make the step up. He ended up in darkest Essex too. I remember Spurs coming and signing Southend's two full backs, Edinburgh and Austin who were both crap, yet ignored Chris Powell. Ah yes Danny Hill, he was Championship Manager-tastic before it became FM. Never knew that last bit . I remember going to one reserve match (back when it was first-teamers getting back to fitness plus a couple of kids) and he was absolutely amazing, made loads of pros look like donkeys. I hate to say it on here, but I should point out that Justin Edinburgh has two Cup winners medals with us... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. Play HBA centrally, behind Cisse, and Walcott out right. Or HBA out left, he'd be okay there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Kaka back to Milan is almost done according to reports in Italy. Sky Italia reckon Liverpool have bid for Phillipe Coutinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Kaka back to Milan is almost done according to reports in Italy. Jizzed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Re Walcott and Ben Arfa, I'd basically put Cisse up front and let them two go mental in behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. Hatem and Walcott are completely different players with different strengths. In terms of effectiveness it's very naive/biased to suggest Hatem's clearly better. He's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Sky Italia reckon Liverpool have bid for Phillipe Coutinho. And which part of the UK was he born in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 My brother-in-law is a season ticket holder at Arsenal and doesn't rate Wallcott at all, he says he is frustratingly inconsistent and extremely poor with the ball. To me, whenever I watch him, I just see a dangerous and quite effective player, someone who is never great but always capable of something good. Arsenal fans are spoilt in my opinion. Wallcott is a very good Premier League player, easily. Not worth the apparent 100K a week of course but he is one of their better players. I'd have him here in a shot. To be fair to him, he has been messed around by Wenger in regards to position and starts. Walcott hasn't been messed around in terms of position. He's not good enough to play as a lone striker, lets be fair - at least not in a team that wants to challenge for major honours. Media seem to go on like he's Ian Wright or Lineker, which is how good you need to be to succeed as that kind of forward. Wenger had the right idea trying to develop his game. All the young players he signs start out wide, or deeper in midfield before he gives them the the crucial #10 or #9 positions in his team. In Arsenal's current position mind with their striking options it probably is the best option to play him there, but that's more an indicament of the position they are now as a club and a squad. Would take him in a shot, like. Just not good enough to be upfront in a SUPERCLUB. Where would you play him though? Hatem is better ( goes without saying) and i think he would be pretty ineffective down the left unless you're thinking of 4-4-2 and playing him with Cisse of course. Hatem and Walcott are completely different players with different strengths. In terms of effectiveness it's very naive/biased to suggest Hatem's clearly better. He's not. I was going to slate this but I sort of agree. In terms of footballing ability, Hatem is miles ahead. Effectiveness? Walcott will always have blistering pace which can destroy teams, even on an off day. Would happily have them both, though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Goes without saying, wouldn't give Walcott 100k/w. The other, better players will, rightly, demand parity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Sky Italia reckon Liverpool have bid for Phillipe Coutinho. Could see Soton going for him too now that Pochettino is in charge. He had a good loan spell there the other season under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Coutinho is class, but doubt he'll make it in the PL. Spanish League was like built for him in a way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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