Nobody Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Can't believe people can be happy with this. Selling the best player we have without any realistic replacement. At a time where the league is probably going to be as open as we'll ever see it. But rather than wanting investment into the side to push on and really challenge we have fans saying we're safe and should just sell on. Fuck that shit, how can you complain about the owner and manager lacking ambition when you display it openly yourselves. 'Happy' is the wrong word, but I think some of us are accepting that, given all the circumstances, the right decision is to accept PSG's offer. It's not like any football club is completely in control of everything that can go on. He's a good player, but as Tmonkey has pointed out, he has his flaws, and £20m is a good price. If it's true that he could leave for far less in the summer, then really there's no choice. I do get tired of hearing that it's all down to Dr Evil and his mad schemes to fleece the club. There's a far simpler explanation, and one that would affect every club in our position. It's not, so let's not even go there. I wouldn't be pissed off if it was a genuinely fantastic offer, a la Carroll, but £20m is just not that much in todays climate. Cabaye is desperate to go to the World Cup as well, so the whole "he's unhappy here" doesn't work either. It's unambitious shite, and I wouldn't be surprised if this money was already spent last January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Maybe just a ploy to make other teams hurry up and sell. Still bad crack tho when we need 2 strikes, a midfielder and a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Just wish we would buy Holtby and Hughes with that money and that would cover the majority of transfer fees and agent fees. We can only dream but for some reason i still think we might bring someone in, probably from France and De Jong is still a possibility. If nothing is done it will just be left to Pardew to take the brunt of the anger and him to come out with the same old excuses to save face for Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Can't believe people can be happy with this. Selling the best player we have without any realistic replacement. At a time where the league is probably going to be as open as we'll ever see it. But rather than wanting investment into the side to push on and really challenge we have fans saying we're safe and should just sell on. f*** that s***, how can you complain about the owner and manager lacking ambition when you display it openly yourselves. 'Happy' is the wrong word, but I think some of us are accepting that, given all the circumstances, the right decision is to accept PSG's offer. It's not like any football club is completely in control of everything that can go on. He's a good player, but as Tmonkey has pointed out, he has his flaws, and £20m is a good price. If it's true that he could leave for far less in the summer, then really there's no choice. I do get tired of hearing that it's all down to Dr Evil and his mad schemes to fleece the club. There's a far simpler explanation, and one that would affect every club in our position. Exactly. Nobody likes it, in fact it's s***. But super-rich clubs generally buy the players of the rest. Sadly at the moment we're part of the rest. Except our owner chooses for us to not be a 'super-rich club' when in reality he's one of the wealthiest men in the PL. Adds insult to injury doesn't it? Christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Can't believe people can be happy with this. Selling the best player we have without any realistic replacement. At a time where the league is probably going to be as open as we'll ever see it. But rather than wanting investment into the side to push on and really challenge we have fans saying we're safe and should just sell on. Fuck that shit, how can you complain about the owner and manager lacking ambition when you display it openly yourselves. 'Happy' is the wrong word, but I think some of us are accepting that, given all the circumstances, the right decision is to accept PSG's offer. It's not like any football club is completely in control of everything that can go on. He's a good player, but as Tmonkey has pointed out, he has his flaws, and £20m is a good price. If it's true that he could leave for far less in the summer, then really there's no choice. I do get tired of hearing that it's all down to Dr Evil and his mad schemes to fleece the club. There's a far simpler explanation, and one that would affect every club in our position. Exactly. Nobody likes it, in fact it's shit. But super-rich clubs generally buy the players of the rest. Sadly at the moment we're part of the rest. Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're not talking about Real Madrid tabling £86m to pluck a star player from a team not playing Champions League football/paying inordinate wages, no one would be delighted with such a situation, but no one would begrudge the ownership either. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. They've explicitly stated they don't want to win cups, they don't want European football and 2.5 years+ of evidence shows they're not fussed about entertaining or respecting fans. However, you are their perfect fan. You will chalk it up to "one of those". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. fuck me i'm going all ian w here but does the context not count for the bold too? it's not like ashley just woke up one day, decided he had to spend 250m quid in order to systematically suck the life out of a football club he had no association with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Why would I? Its not my money. Its not the clubs money. The money doesn't get re-invested. I want the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. fuck me i'm going all ian w here but does the context not count for the bold too? it's not like ashley just woke up one day, decided he had to spend 250m quid in order to systematically suck the life out of a football club he had no association with I'm not sure what you're driving at - Ashley's motives? Maybe he didn't go in with the sole intention of having the club purely as a advertising/money-spinning vehicle, but I struggle to see how the management could be more explicit that that is what it is now. Really, tell me what they could do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I said yesterday that JFK's remit is to sell players not buy them. Thistransfer just reafirms that opinion, especially when it seems extremely likely that JFK and possibly Parsnip both get a cut of the transfer profit on Cabaye and explains why we have not and will not replace him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Why would I? Its not my money. Its not the clubs money. The money doesn't get re-invested. I want the player. It does just not the way anyone wants ie transfers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I said yesterday that JFK's remit is to sell players not buy them. Thistransfer just reafirms that opinion, especially when it seems extremely likely that JFK and possibly Parsnip both get a cut of the transfer profit on Cabaye and explains why we have not and will not replace him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Does this now mean Cabs can "come clean" with what went down at the start of the season and Arsenal's bid and Joke's supposed involvement etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Heard on SSN we are putting a dealine of tomorrow night on signings? So despite wasting two windows we are almost halving our allocated time to replace Cabaye This will end well...... Not only is it SSN but it's also an extremely stupid statement in it's own right. Not worth commenting on let alone quoting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Why would I? Its not my money. Its not the clubs money. The money doesn't get re-invested. I want the player. Ashley won't spend any of his own money, the only chance we have of getting replacement players in is by selling for big money first. All of it won't be re-invested perhaps, and definitely not this window, but you can put your house on that this will be what our summer transfer budget comes from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Why would I? Its not my money. Its not the clubs money. The money doesn't get re-invested. I want the player. It does just not the way anyone wants ie transfers Ok, im glad we can get more bore-holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. fuck me i'm going all ian w here but does the context not count for the bold too? it's not like ashley just woke up one day, decided he had to spend 250m quid in order to systematically suck the life out of a football club he had no association with I'm not sure what you're driving at - Ashley's motives? Maybe he didn't go in with the sole intention of having the club purely as a advertising/money-spinning vehicle, but I struggle to see how the management could be more explicit that that is what it is now. Really, tell me what they could do. i'm getting off at this stop actually - this place is gonna turn toxic and i can't be arsed anyway was just meaning that in all likelihood there's very good reasons why the club has become the "vehicle" it has, maybe not good to you and me but good to the person who is down 250m quid or more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If the fee is £20m it seems a bit cheap to me seeing as Mata went for almost double and wasn't even getting a game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're not talking about Real Madrid tabling £86m to pluck a star player from a team not playing Champions League football/paying inordinate wages, no one would be delighted with such a situation, but no one would begrudge the ownership either. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. They've explicitly stated they don't want to win cups, they don't want European football and 2.5 years+ of evidence shows they're not fussed about entertaining or respecting fans. However, you are their perfect fan. You will chalk it up to "one of those". Who should we do business like then Beren? I personally think on the transfer side of things Ashley almost has it down to a tee. I think he buys well and sells well but often falls short in times like these when a replacement might cost a bit over the odds on what you'd like to pay but he won't do it because we aren't in trouble and we aren't pushing for champions league spot. Or if we need to push on, he lacks that bit more desire on the incoming side of things. Overall I think he’s built a very good squad, better than the majority of sides in the league on a tight budget. People say we are a selling club and yes we are but who isn't? Most teams have to sell their best players at a certain point when a top club comes calling. We can't be that bad when we say Arsenal will sign Krul every window, Ben Arfa will join Liverpool, Santon will go to AC Milan etc. It's not like we offering Krul away for 8 million each window and so on. Champions League clubs will look to lure your players away and until you're in a position to stop that you an only delay the inevitable before having to give in to the players demands and accept the fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The only looser(s) in this situation are the fans. The club have got exactly what they want, contrary to the shite Pardew et al will no doubt spout after this and so has Cabaye. I personally don't blame the player in this at all. The club have shown no ambition what so ever and have made sure he has been in the shop window for the last 3 windows (at least). He is now at the peak of his game and deserves to be in a CL team. With the squad we have and some investment, we might just have been pushing 4th this season given the way the league is so open. Not with the current ownership and management though, it will never happen. I am not convinced spending loads of cash chasing CL football is the way to go either, however, we ARE NOT skint and are solid financially (as they keep reminding us) so there is no excuse to at least be competitive in the market and hedge or bets. For me, this is worse than the Carroll sale, much worse. Not because of the player we are loosing but more what is says about the club. For those that were still supportive or on the fence with respect to the owner, DOF and Pardew, I think that is all about to change and the tides will turn against them pretty quickly now. I sincerely hope they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 We do NOT have a very good squad. Liverpool have a very good squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscotsman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Couldn't have happened at a worse time tbh, losing our best player a week before one of the biggest games of the season can never be good... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Cant believe people actually care if he went for £1 or £100Million Can't believe you don't. Why would I? Its not my money. Its not the clubs money. The money doesn't get re-invested. I want the player. It does just not the way anyone wants ie transfers Ok, im glad we can get more bore-holes. That would be wasting money as we have already got one and dont need more. Please keep up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Is this purposefully myopic? That's the only reason I can think of why you would ignore the context around the sale, tbh. We're not talking about Real Madrid tabling £86m to pluck a star player from a team not playing Champions League football/paying inordinate wages, no one would be delighted with such a situation, but no one would begrudge the ownership either. We're talking about a club (or vehicle, if you will) re-invented for this very purpose, for these very paydays. They've explicitly stated they don't want to win cups, they don't want European football and 2.5 years+ of evidence shows they're not fussed about entertaining or respecting fans. However, you are their perfect fan. You will chalk it up to "one of those". Who should we do business like then Beren? I personally think on the transfer side of things Ashley almost has it down to a tee. I think he buys well and sells well but often falls short in times like these when a replacement might cost a bit over the odds on what you'd like to pay but he won't do it because we aren't in trouble and we aren't pushing for champions league spot. Or if we need to push on, he lacks that bit more desire on the incoming side of things. Overall I think he’s built a very good squad, better than the majority of sides in the league on a tight budget. People say we are a selling club and yes we are but who isn't? Most teams have to sell their best players at a certain point when a top club comes calling. We can't be that bad when we say Arsenal will sign Krul every window, Ben Arfa will join Liverpool, Santon will go to AC Milan etc. It's not like we offering Krul away for 8 million each window and so on. Champions League clubs will look to lure your players away and until you're in a position to stop that you an only delay the inevitable before having to give in to the players demands and accept the fee. Everton, if I had to choose, but we have different circumstances - we can do things our own way based on our own circumstances, but Everton's is - broadly speaking - a good rough blueprint. The rest of your post ignores the whole of my post. It's not about transfers alone, Brett. Stop looking at transfers in isolation, they don't exist in isolation, so why assess them as such? I also don't care about being better than the rest of the teams in the league on a tight budget - their circumstances are different to ours, I care about maximising our potential. We're not. More incriminatingly, we're not trying to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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