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Won't Tom Ince have 6 months left on his contract?

 

Aye. All depends if Blackpool are daft. They could hold out for more in compensation than they are likely to get in Jan

 

How is compensation defined? As in how much, i know that the word means.... :lol:

 

:lol: God knows really. They made Chelsea pay £6m ish for Sturridge so i doubt it will be much more than half that really.

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I said it after the Chelsea game; we've done some fine recruiting that would have been really top notch with a few more top players who had less "adapting" period and more slotting straight in (PL experience type players). With some decent investment into the squad and the right manager we are easily a top 7-8 side. There is a hell of a lot talent in the team but aren't maximized b/c we lack key depth in CB, Wings, and Attack. With a few proper left/right footed wingers, a bull of a striker, and a commanding CB (could even say its 4 players short at minimum) we are well on our way to being where we want to be. Add a manager like Pochettino, Laudrup or Martinez, who are all tactically astute managers getting the most out of their squads and you bridge the gap.

 

I've said it before, its mind boggling - a top manager can absolutely reduce a talent deficiency or lack of major investment.

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I said it after the Chelsea game; we've done some fine recruiting that would have been really top notch with a few more top players who had less "adapting" period and more slotting straight in (PL experience type players). With some decent investment into the squad and the right manager we are easily a top 7-8 side. There is a hell of a lot talent in the team but aren't maximized b/c we lack key depth in CB, Wings, and Attack. With a few proper left/right footed wingers, a bull of a striker, and a commanding CB (could even say its 4 players short at minimum) we are well on our way to being where we want to be. Add a manager like Pochettino, Laudrup or Martinez, who are all tactically astute managers getting the most out of their squads and you bridge the gap.

 

I've said it before, its mind boggling - a top manager can absolutely reduce a talent deficiency or lack of major investment.

 

Couldn't agree more. I would have thought Sunderland were nailed on certainties to go down, but they already look better organised and more up for it with the arrival of Poyet, and I think they'll stay up now. Having a competent manager is a massive part of building a good side.

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Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself.  Even enough to replace someone like perch.

 

I thought it was insane to let Perch go at the time, but with hindsight I suppose they had earmarked Dummett as the new Perchinho.

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Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself.  Even enough to replace someone like perch.

 

Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank?

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mike ashley wont spend decent money unless it would guarantee champions league football, which he knows it won't.

 

otherwise i dont think he's bothered if we finish 5th or 17th - £20m is too much of a gamble for him to gain an extra couple of million from league positioning and not enough return anyways.

 

he wants to stay in the premier league for as little money as possible.

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Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself.  Even enough to replace someone like perch.

 

Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank?

 

all created by his own spiteful childish self

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Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself.  Even enough to replace someone like perch.

 

Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank?

 

all created by his own spiteful childish self

 

Well not all, because we were financially fucked before he arrived as well. But anyway, no point in going back through this whole debate.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

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Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself.  Even enough to replace someone like perch.

 

Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank?

 

all created by his own spiteful childish self

 

Well not all, because we were financially f***ed before he arrived as well. But anyway, no point in going back through this whole debate.

 

As per my post above, he is in profit by a long way through NUFC. To believe he has spent anything is naive.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

 

No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million?

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You're surely not suggesting that the club have to pay back it's own price of purchase before he can consider spending money on transfers?

 

Course not, no. Expenditure should be balanced between on-pitch success while safeguarding our financial future.

 

I was responding to the idea that NUFC should be 'allowed to spend its own money'.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

 

No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million?

 

It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

 

No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million?

 

Even if our commercial revenue was more decent, say £25m, that's our entire commercial revenue for about 10 years.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

 

No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million?

 

It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses.

 

Sure, SD is doing class and by extension so is Mike Ashley. But only a small amount of that is due to free advertising at St James Park.

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He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct.

 

No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million?

 

It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses.

 

All of that is true but is unrelated to the valuation of the advertising at SJP. Lets assume he's had the advertising up for 5 years (Im not sure it has been there that long but anyway) for the value to be more than £250 million that represents £50 million a year. So on that logic the club could earn an additional £50 million a year by letting paying advertisers use that space? Interesting....

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