Guest Roger Kint Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Won't Tom Ince have 6 months left on his contract? Aye. All depends if Blackpool are daft. They could hold out for more in compensation than they are likely to get in Jan How is compensation defined? As in how much, i know that the word means.... God knows really. They made Chelsea pay £6m ish for Sturridge so i doubt it will be much more than half that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 They always seem to come up with some low amounts... wouldn't be surprised if we tried to use that to agree a stupidly cheap deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I said it after the Chelsea game; we've done some fine recruiting that would have been really top notch with a few more top players who had less "adapting" period and more slotting straight in (PL experience type players). With some decent investment into the squad and the right manager we are easily a top 7-8 side. There is a hell of a lot talent in the team but aren't maximized b/c we lack key depth in CB, Wings, and Attack. With a few proper left/right footed wingers, a bull of a striker, and a commanding CB (could even say its 4 players short at minimum) we are well on our way to being where we want to be. Add a manager like Pochettino, Laudrup or Martinez, who are all tactically astute managers getting the most out of their squads and you bridge the gap. I've said it before, its mind boggling - a top manager can absolutely reduce a talent deficiency or lack of major investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I said it after the Chelsea game; we've done some fine recruiting that would have been really top notch with a few more top players who had less "adapting" period and more slotting straight in (PL experience type players). With some decent investment into the squad and the right manager we are easily a top 7-8 side. There is a hell of a lot talent in the team but aren't maximized b/c we lack key depth in CB, Wings, and Attack. With a few proper left/right footed wingers, a bull of a striker, and a commanding CB (could even say its 4 players short at minimum) we are well on our way to being where we want to be. Add a manager like Pochettino, Laudrup or Martinez, who are all tactically astute managers getting the most out of their squads and you bridge the gap. I've said it before, its mind boggling - a top manager can absolutely reduce a talent deficiency or lack of major investment. Couldn't agree more. I would have thought Sunderland were nailed on certainties to go down, but they already look better organised and more up for it with the arrival of Poyet, and I think they'll stay up now. Having a competent manager is a massive part of building a good side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 What pisses me most of....this man is far richer than some of the American businessmen who spend a boat load on their NFL teams, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. I thought it was insane to let Perch go at the time, but with hindsight I suppose they had earmarked Dummett as the new Perchinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Took £11m out last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Took £11m out last year. Loan repayments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 You're an odd one, Ian. Now we're making losses every year and are no longer an ongoing concern without Mashley keeping us afloat....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 mike ashley wont spend decent money unless it would guarantee champions league football, which he knows it won't. otherwise i dont think he's bothered if we finish 5th or 17th - £20m is too much of a gamble for him to gain an extra couple of million from league positioning and not enough return anyways. he wants to stay in the premier league for as little money as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank? all created by his own spiteful childish self Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank? all created by his own spiteful childish self Well not all, because we were financially fucked before he arrived as well. But anyway, no point in going back through this whole debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not arsed about his own wealth more arsed about getting some of nufc money spent on itself. Even enough to replace someone like perch. Hate to bring this up, but hasn't NUFC almost always spent all of its own money or more, made a significant loss and needed subsidy from the owner or the bank? all created by his own spiteful childish self Well not all, because we were financially f***ed before he arrived as well. But anyway, no point in going back through this whole debate. As per my post above, he is in profit by a long way through NUFC. To believe he has spent anything is naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't know whether that's true or not TBH, £250m could surely buy you a lot of advertising at a PL stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 You're surely not suggesting that the club have to pay back it's own price of purchase before he can consider spending money on transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 You're surely not suggesting that the club have to pay back it's own price of purchase before he can consider spending money on transfers? Course not, no. Expenditure should be balanced between on-pitch success while safeguarding our financial future. I was responding to the idea that NUFC should be 'allowed to spend its own money'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million? It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million? Even if our commercial revenue was more decent, say £25m, that's our entire commercial revenue for about 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million? It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses. Sure, SD is doing class and by extension so is Mike Ashley. But only a small amount of that is due to free advertising at St James Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 He has used the clubs position to his strength and although he may have 'spent' £250m (roughly) on us directly, he has had a lot more than that figure back out the club indirectly through free advertising for Sports Direct. No debate that he has taken free advertising for Sports Direct, but how do you arrive at a value for the advertising of more than £250 million? It was some financial expert from Goldman Sachs that was on Talksport about 3-4 months ago talking about footballing finances. He was on about how well Ashley had done purely from a business point of view and how the growth of SD and his own current wealth was rising in a tough time for most other large businesses. All of that is true but is unrelated to the valuation of the advertising at SJP. Lets assume he's had the advertising up for 5 years (Im not sure it has been there that long but anyway) for the value to be more than £250 million that represents £50 million a year. So on that logic the club could earn an additional £50 million a year by letting paying advertisers use that space? Interesting.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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