Parky Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It seemed that when we got sounees that was in light of the failure to get 'too manager MON' that many wanted. Makes you wonder now how better it would have been if shepherd had gotten his man. MON was a different animal then. Was linked weekly with the ManU job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It seemed that when we got sounees that was in light of the failure to get 'too manager MON' that many wanted. Makes you wonder now how better it would have been if shepherd had gotten his man. MON was a different animal then. Was linked weekly with the ManU job. looks a ghost of the bloke on clips from 10 years a go. I think If they lose at home to reading, there is little hope for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It seemed that when we got sounees that was in light of the failure to get 'too manager MON' that many wanted. Makes you wonder now how better it would have been if shepherd had gotten his man. MON was a different animal then. Was linked weekly with the ManU job. Aye, he wasn't an out of date dinosaur back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thing is he's backed himself into a corner here. He's saying stuff like "we're in a real fight there" and "I've got a massive challenge on". Unlike Villa where, league wise, he was getting good positions and then decided to fuck off because, behind the scenes, he wasn't given more money (I'm sure Brummie will correct me if I'm wrong there!) He has no place to hide and I don't think he'll get away with it if he does just down tools and leave. Unlucky Marty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It seemed that when we got sounees that was in light of the failure to get 'too manager MON' that many wanted. Makes you wonder now how better it would have been if shepherd had gotten his man. MON was a different animal then. Was linked weekly with the ManU job. We'd have gotten the MON that villa got, who doesn't sound too dissimilar from what Brummell says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Football has evolved from the two wingers and two banks of four that O'Nil and many managers like him used to good effect. Now he just looks what he is, a manager with a lack of imagination as to what to do. He just doesn't know how to change his system. Even if you put aside the poor overrated overvalued players he buys, he would still struggle to get a team winning playing the way he does, 4-4-2 as he plays it just doesn't work anymore. A warning to Pardew this, and to my utter disgust Pardew plays it with less short passing than O'Nil does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showpost.php?p=13965346&postcount=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Crook Mackem is either a windup merchant extraordinaire or picnic short of a picnic. Regularly comes out with some hilarious patter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Even if we follow that 100% wrong opinion, he's saying that when they play well and are the better team, they lose. If they're in the relegation zone being the better team, I'd hate to see them when they're second best. The point is of course moot because the poster is clearly a moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thing is he's backed himself into a corner here. He's saying stuff like "we're in a real fight there" and "I've got a massive challenge on". Unlike Villa where, league wise, he was getting good positions and then decided to f*** off because, behind the scenes, he wasn't given more money (I'm sure Brummie will correct me if I'm wrong there!) He has no place to hide and I don't think he'll get away with it if he does just down tools and leave. Unlucky Marty. Basically - he was told to clear up his mess first, and sell the players that were sitting in the reserves on big contracts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Crook Mackem is either a windup merchant extraordinaire or picnic short of a picnic. Regularly comes out with some hilarious patter. his avatar suggests he is a bit odd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 O'Neil's a good motivator, poor tactician and dreadful in the transfer market. If he somehow manages to accumulate enough players that he accidentally ends up with a few good ones, he can motivate them to do well. The problem is that takes about £100m+ in todays money to get a mediocre league finish. Short won't give him anything like that amount, so he's basically fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 O'Neil's a good motivator, poor tactician and dreadful in the transfer market. If he somehow manages to accumulate enough players that he accidentally ends up with a few good ones, he can motivate them to do well. The problem is that takes about £100m+ in todays money to get a mediocre league finish. Short won't give him anything like that amount, so he's basically fucked. I've made a huge mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 He doesn't attack teams anymore. The old Villa used to go after sides now and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 O'Neil's a good motivator, poor tactician and dreadful in the transfer market. If he somehow manages to accumulate enough players that he accidentally ends up with a few good ones, he can motivate them to do well. The problem is that takes about £100m+ in todays money to get a mediocre league finish. Short won't give him anything like that amount, so he's basically f***ed. I've made a huge mistake His wifes face looks like she's got a dildo stuck up her arse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thing is he's backed himself into a corner here. He's saying stuff like "we're in a real fight there" and "I've got a massive challenge on". Unlike Villa where, league wise, he was getting good positions and then decided to f*** off because, behind the scenes, he wasn't given more money (I'm sure Brummie will correct me if I'm wrong there!) He has no place to hide and I don't think he'll get away with it if he does just down tools and leave. Unlucky Marty. Basically - he was told to clear up his mess first, and sell the players that were sitting in the reserves on big contracts. He was asked several times to move some of the big wage players he wasn't using on - basically, to manage his squad like every other manager does. He kept saying he would but then didn't. He kept asking fr more money from Lerner, which he got, but still didn't move players on. The final argument was because Lerner wouldn't let him spend a huge wad on Aiden McGeady until he'd moved some players on *first* That's specifically what he walked over. Incidentally, his media backers saying Short hasn't backed him despite him spunking 25m on just two home market players sums up everything about the bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thing is he's backed himself into a corner here. He's saying stuff like "we're in a real fight there" and "I've got a massive challenge on". Unlike Villa where, league wise, he was getting good positions and then decided to f*** off because, behind the scenes, he wasn't given more money (I'm sure Brummie will correct me if I'm wrong there!) He has no place to hide and I don't think he'll get away with it if he does just down tools and leave. Unlucky Marty. Basically - he was told to clear up his mess first, and sell the players that were sitting in the reserves on big contracts. He was asked several times to move some of the big wage players he wasn't using on - basically, to manage his squad like every other manager does. He kept saying he would but then didn't. He kept asking fr more money from Lerner, which he got, but still didn't move players on. The final argument was because Lerner wouldn't let him spend a huge wad on Aiden McGeady until he'd moved some players on *first* That's specifically what he walked over. Incidentally, his media backers saying Short hasn't backed him despite him spunking 25m on just two home market players sums up everything about the bloke. iirc there was a huge pool of 'back up' players on 50-60k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 With any luck he'll be given enough time to repeat that magic at Sunderland.... Already got O'Shea and Brown on long, lucrative, frankly ridiculous deals thanks to Mr Bruce. And Saha's there too, how long was he given? Hopefully a decade or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Hmm, interent suggests 1 year for Saha. Most disappointing. I was sure it was about 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Football has evolved from the two wingers and two banks of four that O'Nil and many managers like him used to good effect. Now he just looks what he is, a manager with a lack of imagination as to what to do. He just doesn't know how to change his system. Bingo. That is spot on. It us interesting that, if you look at Lambert, a man who played for MON and still respects him a lot, his tactical approach is light years ahead. He. Doesn't believe in wingers, thinks the two banks of four thing is history, and is trying to exorcise that style of play from the club. That is what Houllier tried to do, too. The good managers change with the times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Quite funny that us NUFC fans want the unwashed to stick with MON! Especially when at first they all thought they had one over on us when they got him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Trying to think of their transfers targets in January, Man U are either still too good or too young. Richard Dunne to play at right back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 O'Neil's a good motivator, poor tactician and dreadful in the transfer market. If he somehow manages to accumulate enough players that he accidentally ends up with a few good ones, he can motivate them to do well. The problem is that takes about £100m+ in todays money to get a mediocre league finish. Short won't give him anything like that amount, so he's basically f***ed. I've made a huge mistake His wifes face looks like she's got a dildo stuck up her arse tbf i had that look in nufc's relegation season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Football has evolved from the two wingers and two banks of four that O'Nil and many managers like him used to good effect. Now he just looks what he is, a manager with a lack of imagination as to what to do. He just doesn't know how to change his system. Bingo. That is spot on. It us interesting that, if you look at Lambert, a man who played for MON and still respects him a lot, his tactical approach is light years ahead. He. Doesn't believe in wingers, thinks the two banks of four thing is history, and is trying to exorcise that style of play from the club. That is what Houllier tried to do, too. The good managers change with the times. Absolutely. I also like Lambert apart from the fact his goal celebration is straight out of MON's catalogues of gay skipperty jumperty's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Football has evolved from the two wingers and two banks of four that O'Nil and many managers like him used to good effect. Now he just looks what he is, a manager with a lack of imagination as to what to do. He just doesn't know how to change his system. Bingo. That is spot on. It us interesting that, if you look at Lambert, a man who played for MON and still respects him a lot, his tactical approach is light years ahead. He. Doesn't believe in wingers, thinks the two banks of four thing is history, and is trying to exorcise that style of play from the club. That is what Houllier tried to do, too. The good managers change with the times. Absolutely. I also like Lambert apart from the fact his goal celebration is straight out of MON's catalogues of gay skipperty jumperty's. Oh we'll, at least it doesn't get an outing very often :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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