steve_69 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 5 days a week spent on defensive positioning?! Really?! We're a shambles defensively and show no sign of improving. Clearly whatever Pardew is trying to do is not working. Also, the mere fact that the team shape is dictated by how the opposition play puts Pardew in the same pile as Allardyce and other footballing dinosaurs. I've been saying it for ages but I'll say it again - we should be working on a very definite way of playing, a style of football that plays to our strengths and is coached constantly, and then we go out to impose our game on the opposition. This is the way modern managers approach the game. The longer this season goes on, the more last season looks like a fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. If he cant switch things in a couple of hours what chance has he got during a game, explains his shit subs etc He could have changed it, but what about the players? Would they be comfortable with an entirely different set of instructions, for a different position, a couple of hours before a game? He made the right, if unpopular, call last night. and paid the price Well, aye. I don't know where this attitude that we should be beating Everton, currently 5th place, anyway. They're having a fantastic season, and had their stronger players available. We're on a terrible run, and missing our key players. I'd have been happy with a point last night. The next three games are massive. A minimum of 6 points is required, and I think we'll get them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 He's really made himself look like an idiot after going on about practising that formation in training the whole week. If that's us 'prepared' or 'organized', whatever the hell he wants to call it, then he clearly isn't good at his job. Without Cabaye, Ben Arfa and now Ba gone indefinitely, he doesn't have the lads to bail him out any more from this long ball tactic of his. At the end of the day when this whole mess is over Pardew, Ashley, Dekka, all the players will go home as millionaires but once again it will be us who pays the price for everything- pouring hard earned money and endless time into the club and getting next to nothing in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The stick that he is getting for straight swapping Shola for Ba is way over the top. He had prepared the formation all week to include Ba in the center and Cisse on the right, an hour before kick-off he can be forgiven for not wanting to switch too many player roles for this week. If he cant switch things in a couple of hours what chance has he got during a game, explains his shit subs etc He could have changed it, but what about the players? Would they be comfortable with an entirely different set of instructions, for a different position, a couple of hours before a game? He made the right, if unpopular, call last night. and paid the price Well, aye. I don't know where this attitude that we should be beating Everton, currently 5th place, anyway. They're having a fantastic season, and had their stronger players available. We're on a terrible run, and missing our key players. I'd have been happy with a point last night. The next three games are massive. A minimum of 6 points is required, and I think we'll get them. I hope you're right, unfortunatly I cant see us getting 3, unless Pardew changes his tactics/selections etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 He should be sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Giving him a bit of money to spend in this window to help him turn it around would be the better option, actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Giving him a bit of money to spend in this window to help him turn it around would be the better option, actually. He should be doing much better with the options available to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Do me a favour. How hard is it to tell a striker to play in a striker's role and attacking forwards, (Obertan and Marveaux), to play offensively and create chances, while also tracking back when needed. Football is a simple game, people try and over complicate it far too much with intricate tactics and instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Giving him a bit of money to spend in this window to help him turn it around would be the better option, actually. He should be doing much better with the options available to him. I know. I never said anything to the contrary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thought he'd be getting more stick than he did at the game today tbf, only heard one little radgie kid shout anything and he got told to shut his face Same here. The group I was sitting with took the view that Ashley had hung him out to dry over the summer and there was little Pardew could do to turn things around with the players at his disposal. With respect, were any of them watching us at the beginning of the season? We've been shit for the entire thing so far, that falls at the managers feet imo. I agree completely. Was just surprised to hear that folk still thought Pardew was immune from criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Do me a favour. How hard is it to tell a striker to play in a striker's role and attacking forwards, (Obertan and Marveaux), to play offensively and create chances, while also tracking back when needed. Football is a simple game, people try and over complicate it far too much with intricate tactics and instructions. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9gcceJohlAk/S_jcAzfBynI/AAAAAAAAN8w/Ed3DogtwOds/s400/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho_champions_league.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Do me a favour. How hard is it to tell a striker to play in a striker's role and attacking forwards, (Obertan and Marveaux), to play offensively and create chances, while also tracking back when needed. Football is a simple game, people try and over complicate it far too much with intricate tactics and instructions. Nothing to do with Pardew, but this is one of the worst and most ignorant stereotypes about football at the top level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Do me a favour. How hard is it to tell a striker to play in a striker's role and attacking forwards, (Obertan and Marveaux), to play offensively and create chances, while also tracking back when needed. Football is a simple game, people try and over complicate it far too much with intricate tactics and instructions. Absolutely. Very worrying when a manager admits to having no flexibility. What the fuck do they do in training? How much of our play do they actually rehearse? Is no one paying any attention to their teammates' responsibilities? A well drilled, well coached squad will have zero problems adjusting to a minor change in personnel as they would should a player get injured the warm up or something. Pardew has dug his own ditch here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away. I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away. It's only sung by the Strawberry corner, not a single person joined in with it in the back of the Gallowgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part. It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something. No doubt about that. But I can't believe that a squad of players at our level can't readjust to fit Cisse back in his preferred position where he is most effective to score goals and win the match for the team! Bloody hell it's not rocket science! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Worth noting that his name is still being sung in the stadium, home and away. I actually think that's a very good thing. By all means moan on here, but during the game support the team including the manager. I don't think that means that the match day crowd aren't unhappy with him and this season though, certainly not the people who sit around me anyway. It is. What it does show is a willingness to persevere with the current setup, reasonably confident that things will improve. I think most people, with common sense, would agree that sacking the current encumbent is not the answer to our woes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The next 3 league games are the most crucial during his time here, if we are in the relegation places after them 3 then his position will probably be untenable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? There's a great deal of complex thinking and preparation that goes into a match of professional football. Go read a book or something. Have you played? You can tell me to read all the books you like, pouring too much thought into other teams and their tactics and worrying about what they are going to do is not a good thing imo. Don't get me wrong, preparation is key. Vital in fact, but it has to be preparation to play to YOUR strengths. This is what I mean, it's a simple game it really is, don't spend days worrying about opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part. It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts! Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though. As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why is it? If you have played football at even the lowest amatuer league levels you would know that football is not a simple game and that drills, strategies and philosophies play a huge part. It is only a simple game.... on the playground when there are no refs, and a couple of jumpers for posts! Having a game plan and philosophy is pretty simple stuff though. As I said above, worrying about opposition is where it gets sticky and needlessly complex. That's my issue here. He needs to decide a formation and stick with it and actually look to put other teams under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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