Who would you go for?

[Interpolic]

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

 

What the fuck are you on about man.

[Mick]

 

 

A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that.  Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified.

 

Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly.

 

Your comment about Allardyce is crazy.  He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe.  We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league?

 

He should have stayed.

[The College Dropout]

You also mention that we should have given other managers more time without giving examples.  So go on then.

 

dis gon be gud

 

The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two.

 

We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him.

 

A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that.  Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified.

 

Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly.

 

Your comment about Allardyce is crazy.  He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe.  We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league?

 

Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different.

 

1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th.

 

 

I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right?

[The College Dropout]

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

 

What the f*** are you on about man.

 

General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been shit and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that.

[Interpolic]

You also mention that we should have given other managers more time without giving examples.  So go on then.

 

dis gon be gud

 

The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two.

 

We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him.

 

A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that.  Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified.

 

Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly.

 

Your comment about Allardyce is crazy.  He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe.  We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league?

 

Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different.

 

1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th.

 

 

I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right?

 

They've went into semi retirement or whatever because they did fucking awful jobs and got binned before they could do more damage.

 

I'm still waiting for examples.  You've given me Robson and Hughton, where I've admitted you might have a semblance of a point, and Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months after sacking him. It was 100% not a bad decision to sack him, it is the best example going of a bad decision to hire him.

 

You've taken my "live for the day" thing the wrong way, I mean that a good manager won't worry about the past, they'll know they can do a good job.

 

And we did play poor football under Robson for a year and a half, I saw it with my eyes and stuff.  The decline was there for all to see.

[alexf]

Regards the whole contract situation. I think it's similar to what Redknapp said his was at Tottenham. It was heavy weighed so that anyone wanting him (england?) would have to pay full whack but it was cheapish to sack them.

 

Now Redknapp could have been lying as he is known to but I'm with others in that I refuse to believe for a second that we would have to fully pay off Pardew's contract as that would make Ashley, in terms of business, a complete idiot which he isn't.

[Guest TheGreatBeardo]

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

 

What the f*** are you on about man.

 

I think he's right with that comment but only because supporters of other clubs don't know the facts. The percentage of people outside of the north east who think we went down the same season Allardyce was sacked must be roughly 95%. You even see it stated in articles written by supposedly professional journalists. It has become common knowledge that Newcastle fans turn on their manager quicker than lager turns to p*ss. Like most "common knowledge" it's utter bullshit, but perceptions won't change until someone gets it right.

[Interpolic]

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

 

What the f*** are you on about man.

 

General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been shit and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that.

 

Unless you're talking about Paul Merson or someone I'm not sure what you're on about.  I think most people know what the craic is, and certainly managers wouldn't be put off by it.  We're a fantastic club and anyone who manages us should see the potential and feel lucky.  Why you're going on about the opinion of a few Sun journos and Man Utd fans from Surrey (probably not mutually exclusive) is beyond me.  Anyone who's worth knowing knows we're a proper football club just waiting to realise our full potential.  Would you like me to dig up Alex Ferguson's quotes that say pretty much exactly the same thing?

[Mick]

 

 

General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been s*** and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that.

 

From what I've seen most people see our former managers the way that we do.

[The College Dropout]

You also mention that we should have given other managers more time without giving examples.  So go on then.

 

dis gon be gud

 

The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two.

 

We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him.

 

A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that.  Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified.

 

Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly.

 

Your comment about Allardyce is crazy.  He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe.  We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league?

 

Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different.

 

1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th.

 

 

I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right?

 

They've went into semi retirement or whatever because they did f***ing awful jobs and got binned before they could do more damage.

 

I'm still waiting for examples.  You've given me Robson and Hughton, where I've admitted you might have a semblance of a point, and Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months after sacking him. It was 100% not a bad decision to sack him, it is the best example going of a bad decision to hire him.

 

You've taken my "live for the day" thing the wrong way, I mean that a good manager won't worry about the past, they'll know they can do a good job.

 

And we did play poor football under Robson for a year and a half, I saw it with my eyes and stuff.  The decline was there for all to see.

 

Okay man. But nobody in professional football thinks Dalglish, Gullit, Sir Bobby and even Souness are jokes.

 

Do you think Blackburn would have got relegated if Allardyce was their manager? I want you to understand, from the outside looking-in it looks like a mistake on our behalf. That is my point.

 

From the outside, 4th, 3rd, 5th, boo'd and then fired. Followed by not reaching those heights for 9 painful years. It looks like a terrible decision.

 

Allardyce. From the outside, gets chopped and the next full season we go down. It wouldn't have happened with him at the helm. It looks a bad decision.

 

Keegan. Ran out of the club by the owners. Horrible.

 

Hughton. Gets us promoted then is fired. Looks a bad decision.

 

This paints a very negative picture of the patience of our fans and management.

 

We never stick with manager's through difficult seasons. Everybody knows this. It makes our club less attractive to good managers.

[The College Dropout]

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

 

What the f*** are you on about man.

 

I think he's right with that comment but only because supporters of other clubs don't know the facts. The percentage of people outside of the north east who think we went down the same season Allardyce was sacked must be roughly 95%. You even see it stated in articles written by supposedly professional journalists. It has become common knowledge that Newcastle fans turn on their manager quicker than lager turns to p*ss. Like most "common knowledge" it's utter bullshit, but perceptions won't change until someone gets it right.

 

I can't be the only other person that has recognised this?

[The College Dropout]

 

 

General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been s*** and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that.

 

From what I've seen most people see our former managers the way that we do.

 

"Unrealistic expectations of the Geordie's." I didn't make that phrase up. Most people think we are too impatient.

[Mick]

 

 

Okay man. But nobody in professional football thinks Dalglish, Gullit, Sir Bobby and even Souness are jokes.

 

Do you think Blackburn would have got relegated if Allardyce was their manager? I want you to understand, from the outside looking-in it looks like a mistake on our behalf. That is my point.

 

From the outside, 4th, 3rd, 5th, boo'd and then fired. Followed by not reaching those heights for 9 painful years. It looks like a terrible decision.

 

Allardyce. From the outside, gets chopped and the next full season we go down. It wouldn't have happened with him at the helm. It looks a bad decision.

 

Keegan. Ran out of the club by the owners. Horrible.

 

Hughton. Gets us promoted then is fired. Looks a bad decision.

 

This paints a very negative picture of the patience of our fans and management.

 

We never stick with manager's through difficult seasons. Everybody knows this. It makes our club less attractive to good managers.

 

Liverpool were widely ridiculed when they brought Dalglish back, Gullit has failed at every job since leaving us and Souness is seen as an utter joke and none of that has anything to do with us.  Souness. 

 

Which clubs in the Premiership would touch any of the ex managers you mention?  The only 2 that would probably get jobs are at a level which they are probably not going to get above, the others are out of the Premiership for good reason, they're not up to it.

[Mick]

 

 

"Unrealistic expectations of the Geordie's." I didn't make that phrase up. Most people think we are too impatient.

 

Bollocks, I've worked all over the country and have never heard that from anybody who wasn't a twatty journalist.

[The College Dropout]

Ridiculed by who? They played very well when he was interim manager. Regardless, he still holds the respect of the football world. Look at his achievements. The same with the other two.

 

 

Everyone will look at the common denominator of all our managers being sacked or failing, as us. The Circus.

 

I'm not trying to defend any of our ex-managers except Sir Bobby, Hughton and KK. I'm just talking about how it has affected the way our club is perceived and how it damages our attractiveness to manager's in high value. You go to Newcastle, you're career doesn't get better.

[Interpolic]

I can't believe you're peddling this Allardyce stuff, CD. 

 

Anyone who thinks we got relegated because we sacked Allardyce 16 months prior is a total moron, so fuck knas why we're talking about the opinions of people like that.

[The College Dropout]

You didn't consider Spurs a joke before Jol?

 

I've worked in Manchester, Kent and London for a number of years. Most people believe what is written in the media. Even we realise we need to stick with a manager because chopping and changing has not brought us success.

[Interpolic]

Ridiculed by who? They played very well when he was interim manager. Regardless, he still holds the respect of the football world. Look at his achievements. The same with the other two.

 

 

Everyone will look at the common denominator of all our managers being sacked or failing, as us. The Circus.

 

I'm not trying to defend any of our ex-managers except Sir Bobby, Hughton and KK. I'm just talking about how it has affected the way our club is perceived and how it damages our attractiveness to manager's in high value. You go to Newcastle, you're career doesn't get better.

 

They were ridiculed by loads of people, you're just choosing to ignore that while being hyper-sensitive towards outside views towards us.

 

And he wasn't interim manager at Liverpool, not sure why you're choosing to use that term.

 

Basically, you've created another stick to beat NUFC with, one that doesn't really exist. As if someone like Benitez or Martinez or Jol would give a shit about this man.

[The College Dropout]

I can't believe you're peddling this Allardyce stuff, CD. 

 

Anyone who thinks we got relegated because we sacked Allardyce 16 months prior is a total moron, so f*** knas why we're talking about the opinions of people like that.

 

Do you have comprehension problems? I'm not saying Allardyce as the reason we got relegated. It just wouldn't have happened if he was boss. So, people will look at that and call it a mistake.

 

Look at Blackburn. They could've hired a better manager than Kean. But everyone talks about how they wouldn't have been in that position if they stuck with Allardyce. So sacking him looks a bad decision now. Do you understand?

[Interpolic]

You didn't consider Spurs a joke before Jol?

 

I've worked in Manchester, Kent and London for a number of years. Most people believe what is written in the media. Even we realise we need to stick with a manager because chopping and changing has not brought us success.

 

We kept Keegan for around 6 years, Robson for around 5 years.

 

Check this out, understand the point and I'm trying to make and hopefully after that go away:

 

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/longest-current.html

[The College Dropout]

When he took over after Hodgson left they played well. He was Caretaker manager. I know it's from wiki but

 

"Following a 1–0 victory against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in February 2011, described by Alan Smith as "a quite brilliant display in terms of discipline and spirit"[63] and a "defensive masterplan" by David Pleat,[64] Henry Winter wrote, "it can only be a matter of time before he [Dalglish] is confirmed as long-term manager."

 

Where's the widespread derision?

 

Unless we hire Carver, our manager will have an outside view of us. The outside view isn't pretty mate.

[Interpolic]

I can't believe you're peddling this Allardyce stuff, CD. 

 

Anyone who thinks we got relegated because we sacked Allardyce 16 months prior is a total moron, so f*** knas why we're talking about the opinions of people like that.

 

Do you have comprehension problems? I'm not saying Allardyce as the reason we got relegated. It just wouldn't have happened if he was boss. So, people will look at that and call it a mistake.

 

Look at Blackburn. They could've hired a better manager than Kean. But everyone talks about how they wouldn't have been in that position if they stuck with Allardyce. So sacking him looks a bad decision now. Do you understand?

 

Don't bother trying to patronise me when you're making the most flaky points known to man.

 

How could it possibly be seen as a bad decision to sack Allardyce, hire Keegan, because 16 months later we got relegated when Keegan hadn't even been the manager for 8 months or whatever?  You're making it sound like we sacked Allardyce, hired someone else then got relegated as a result of that change.

[Wullie]

Spurs managers since Keegan arrived:

 

Ossie Ardiles

Gerry Francis

Christian Gross

George Graham

Glenn Hoddle

Jacques Santini

Martin Jol

Juande Ramos

Harry Redknapp

 

How many of them have gone onto bigger and better things? None.

 

By your logic, TCD, the Spurs job should be touched only with a very long bargepole within football, and completely avoided by those with any merit whatsoever.

 

Do you think that's the case?

[Interpolic]

When he took over after Hodgson left they played well. He was Caretaker manager. I know it's from wiki but

 

"Following a 1–0 victory against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in February 2011, described by Alan Smith as "a quite brilliant display in terms of discipline and spirit"[63] and a "defensive masterplan" by David Pleat,[64] Henry Winter wrote, "it can only be a matter of time before he [Dalglish] is confirmed as long-term manager."

 

Where's the widespread derision?

 

Unless we hire Carver, our manager will have an outside view of us. The outside view isn't pretty mate.

 

Re "Where's the widespread derision?", how am I supposed to answer that?  You've given me a load of tittle tattle, so I suppose I'll have to tell you I heard similar tittle tattle with regards Dalglish at Liverpool.

 

I live and work in London and have done for years, the outside view is that we're a fantastic club who deserve success.  None of this waffle ever gets peddled.

[The College Dropout]

You didn't consider Spurs a joke before Jol?

 

I've worked in Manchester, Kent and London for a number of years. Most people believe what is written in the media. Even we realise we need to stick with a manager because chopping and changing has not brought us success.

 

We kept Keegan for around 6 years, Robson for around 5 years.

 

Check this out, understand the point and I'm trying to make and hopefully after that go away:

 

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/longest-current.html

 

We've had the most managers in the PL era. Haven't won a single trophy either.

 

The other two closest have also been considered jokers and clowns. Luckily for them one are dirty rich and the other just had a manager for 5 seasons and have appointed a man for the long-term.