Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Some people seem to think it's a bad time for a new manager to come in for some reason. I'd say it's the perfect time. Pardew has set the bar so low that for an attack minded manager with a team of internationals, it would be impossible (I mean that in a very literal sense) to do a worse job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 We can always take action later if it all turns to shit. The Shepherd solution. Great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Luca, it pretty much turned to shit. It reminds me of some people in Libya during the revolution saying, "Yes, Gaddafi is a monster, and he killed my uncle, but this country can't afford a revolution. We should just hope that things improve." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Luca, it pretty much turned to shit. It reminds me of some people in Libya during the revolution saying, "Yes, Gaddafi is a monster, and he killed my uncle, but this country can't afford a revolution. We should just hope that things improve." Totally the same thing and not at all offensive to anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 To my knowledge, Pardew has yet to kill anyone. This may change if Vurnon Anita is not spotted again any time soon. I understand the comparison, btw. Just a tad heavy handed is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Canny harsh on Gaddafi that, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 We can always take action later if it all turns to shit. The Shepherd solution. Great. I'd say sacking a manager that under performed without thought to stability was more the "Shepherd solution." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Putting off important decisions Making decisions based on fear What a terribly negative mindset some fans have. The same mindset as our woefully inept manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Colonel Pardaffi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 We can always take action later if it all turns to shit. The Shepherd solution. Great. I'd say sacking a manager that under performed without thought to stability was more the "Shepherd solution." No, the Shepherd solution was to carry the wrong man into a season and then sack him when it went to shit and write yet another season off, which is exactly what you're advocating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 17th position with two games to go is the footballing definition of instability. We're said to have put our summer transfer plans on hold because we don't know what division we'll be playing in. That's stability apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'd say sacking a manager that under performed without thought to stability was more the "Shepherd solution." Stability is no bastard good with a failing manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Not to mention the players seem to have given up on him. If he stays I really can't see Cabaye or Coloccini staying, possibly add Ben Arfa to that too. All logical signs point to bringing someone new in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 17th position with two games to go is the footballing definition of instability. We're said to have put our summer transfer plans on hold because we don't know what division we'll be playing in. That's stability apparently. You're talking short term. I'm not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Not to mention the players seem to have given up on him. If he stays I really can't see Cabaye or Coloccini staying, possibly add Ben Arfa to that too. All logical signs point to bringing someone new in. Cabaye is battling depression, Colo has family issues and wants to be back in Argentina, and Ben Arfa is happy but crocked. Which of those things does a new manager change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A few people have said, a few times, that, with the right investment in the summer and reduced fixtures next season, we could conceivably go on to have a similar season to last year. That'd be an improvement, for me. I'd be more than happy to have to endure another season like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. The football was decent at times last season but he ditched what worked for us as soon as he could. The football was also shit at times last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 17th position with two games to go is the footballing definition of instability. We're said to have put our summer transfer plans on hold because we don't know what division we'll be playing in. That's stability apparently. You're talking short term. I'm not. I'm not talking short term as I believe we'll face another relegation battle with him in charge. I also know for a fact that no matter what happens, he'll play a negative long ball game designed to strangle the life out of any contest. Results are important, and we all enjoy finishing in the upper echelons of the league (let's pretend for a second that I think that might happen), but what's equally important is that I go to the match to enjoy myself and to watch Newcastle try to win and try to score goals. I don't go to be bored shitless and watch us with our backs to the wall for a bare minimum of 45 minutes every week. I still see loads of people saying "yes, last season was fantastic but..." - it was as fantastic as Allardyce's Bolton were, decent results and fucking dull as dishwater, but at least he had the excuse of having a load of cloggers in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. The football was decent at times last season but he ditched what worked for us as soon as he could. The football was also shit at times last season. Agreed. But there were some pretty tasty high points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Erm. No. The football was not, on the whole decent. Not a hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Considering Pardew's history with clubs when they start going do i'd say we do.... Southampton, West Ham and Reading, once they went south he couldn't do anything to prevent the slide. Besides what makes you think things will magically change? we will still have technically gifted players suited to a passing game and we will still see a long ball game but without the organisation and set piece prowess of a Pulis or Allardyce team. What you are doing is basically just throwing another season away, nothing will change Pardew's history proves as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Not to mention the players seem to have given up on him. If he stays I really can't see Cabaye or Coloccini staying, possibly add Ben Arfa to that too. All logical signs point to bringing someone new in. Cabaye is battling depression, Colo has family issues and wants to be back in Argentina, and Ben Arfa is happy but crocked. Which of those things does a new manager change? I really don't know if anyone of those things are true. What I do know is Cabaye was sold a lie and has been misused since he signed and has looked increasingly unhappy, this has coincided with the abysmal management of Pardew and our subsequent downturn in form. It's not difficult to see the pattern. Cabaye especially has played within himself for the best part of his spell at the club due to Pardew's tactics, if I was him I'd want to leave and I can't blame him if he goes if Pardew remains in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A few people have said, a few times, that, with the right investment in the summer and reduced fixtures next season, we could conceivably go on to have a similar season to last year. That'd be an improvement, for me. I'd be more than happy to have to endure another season like that. I'm sure this summers signings were brought in during the January window, what investment do you think we need in the summer to allow Pardew to repeat last season? As for the number of games played being less, what difference will that make? Our highest played players this season are on a par with last season so fatigue shouldn't really have had any say in how this season has played out. The negative bastard will get more time to focus on the opposition and how to stop them so I agree that we'll benefit from that. On the flip side, again, we'll be looking to stop others rather than trying to play progressive football that suits the players that we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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