Weezertron Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. They could follow their recruitment policy and hire a foreign manager, who would be more than happy with Pardew's wages. Chances are he'll be an improvement, and it wouldn't hurt to have a manager who is more accomplished at speaking english. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. They could follow their recruitment policy and hire a foreign manager, who would be more than happy with Pardew's wages. Chances are he'll be an improvement, and it wouldn't hurt to have a manager who is more accomplished at speaking english. Oh Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mattoon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. I'm not saying you can't hope. I'm just saying I've got none. I just don't think Ashley is in the least bit interested beyond keeping us afloat - which this year Pardew will. Not that I'm pointing at you but it just seems some are willing to hope that Pardew can get better but not hope that we could hire an improvement on him. Baffling! Though I don't blame you for feeling ambivalent it's the best we can hope for right now IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of shit to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. I'm not saying you can't hope. I'm just saying I've got none. I just don't think Ashley is in the least bit interested beyond keeping us afloat - which this year Pardew will. Not that I'm pointing at you but it just seems some are willing to hope that Pardew can get better but not hope that we could hire an improvement on him. Baffling! Though I don't blame you for feeling ambivalent it's the best we can hope for right now IMHO. He doesn't need to get better. He'll take us exactly where we - as a club - want to be. Which is sad but it's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Aye, that's nowhere near accurate, like. Keegan x2, SBR, Hughton and arguably Shearer were all wanted by the majority at the time that they left/were sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Aye, that's nowhere near accurate, like. Keegan x2, SBR, Hughton and arguably Shearer were all wanted by the majority at the time that they left/were sacked. There were plenty people who wanted rid of Robson mind and Hughton had plenty of critics too. Shearer - I can't really say either way tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. KK didn't come cheap, so A is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. KK didn't come cheap, so A is wrong. KK didn't come cheap so he learned his lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. KK didn't come cheap, so A is wrong. KK didn't come cheap so he learned his lesson. Mind reader? MA is so unpredictable that literally anything could happen at any time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Apart from him spending money. That probably wont happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Brett you saying you think Pardew is s*** is like me telling Mrs Bimpy she doesn't have a fat arse. I'm lying through my teeth for an easy life. I defend him to an extent because of the abuse he gets is way over the top. People on here think I believe Pardew is the man for the job when that's far from the case, I would love a top manager to come in but that's highly unlikely. What i defend more than a hell of a lot others on here is the players in our side, i couldn't rate them highly enough and just because they were poor last season as a team, i don't believe they showed themselves in best light, i think this season they will put last season's horror show well and truly behind them and we will have a good season. What exactly is wrong with thinking that? If people think we'll be in a relegation battle, that's their opinion, if people want to protest for Pardew/Ashely out, it's their right to do so, i'd rather just be proud of the players we have at the club, embrace the fact they are here and get behind Pardew to get the best out of them rather than bringing the manager/players down at any given opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Brett, tone it down a bit, man. Stop talking for other people, too. You're the only one coming in here gloating after wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Brett, tone it down a bit, man. Stop talking for other people, too. You're the only one coming in here gloating after wins. Sorry. Anyone can feel free to pop up and say they think Pardew is the man for the job if they disagree with what i said. I went overboard after Villa, i haven't said too much regarding the Cardiff game except we showed great carachter and spirit within the camp to bounce back from the first 45 minutes against Everton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Brett, tone it down a bit, man. Stop talking for other people, too. You're the only one coming in here gloating after wins. Brett you saying you think Pardew is s*** is like me telling Mrs Bimpy she doesn't have a fat arse. I'm lying through my teeth for an easy life. I defend him to an extent because of the abuse he gets is way over the top. People on here think I believe Pardew is the man for the job when that's far from the case, I would love a top manager to come in but that's highly unlikely. What i defend more than a hell of a lot others on here is the players in our side, i couldn't rate them highly enough and just because they were poor last season as a team, i don't believe they showed themselves in best light, i think this season they will put last season's horror show well and truly behind them and we will have a good season. What exactly is wrong with thinking that? If people think we'll be in a relegation battle, that's their opinion, if people want to protest for Pardew/Ashely out, it's their right to do so, i'd rather just be proud of the players we have at the club, embrace the fact they are here and get behind Pardew to get the best out of them rather than bringing the manager/players down at any given opportunity. Just for you, Inochi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pardew improve? Unlikely. Ashley appoint a good manager? Unlikely. The only question that I would ask is which course of action is more dangerous for the club? Allowing Pardew to plot our mediocre survival or Ashley taking it upon himself to have another go at change? Given the histories of the two men, i still think Pardew's hands are a safer bet than Ashley's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pardew improve? Unlikely. Ashley appoint a good manager? Unlikely. The only question that I would ask is which course of action is more dangerous for the club? Allowing Pardew to plot our mediocre survival or Ashley taking it upon himself to have another go at change? Given the histories of the two men, i still think Pardew's hands are a safer bet than Ashley's. Very sensible post! Would we be willing to accept the risk of an up and coming manager (only type likely to take job), not yet proven in the prem (although you could argue quite the same regards Percy), who would accept a shoestring budget and players being sold without his permission and the rest of the bullshift that comes with Fatboy and his sycophant jester? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 We don't really sell that many people, not more than anyone else anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pardew improve? Unlikely. Ashley appoint a good manager? Unlikely. The only question that I would ask is which course of action is more dangerous for the club? Allowing Pardew to plot our mediocre survival or Ashley taking it upon himself to have another go at change? Given the histories of the two men, i still think Pardew's hands are a safer bet than Ashley's. Very sensible post! Would we be willing to accept the risk of an up and coming manager (only type likely to take job), not yet proven in the prem (although you could argue quite the same regards Percy), who would accept a shoestring budget and players being sold without his permission and the rest of the bullshift that comes with Fatboy and his sycophant jester? I think it's a massive risk for little reward. The very most it seems people are hoping for is that we push the top 7 and play with a bit more attacking verve, without collectively shitting ourselves once we concede. Is that really a prize worth all the upheaval? The increased entropy a new manager brings to a club, especially an Ashley appointment, is just as likely to worsen the situation (more likely?) as improve it. Obviously if Pardew ever has us hopelessly entrenched within the bottom 5, I would recalibrate the risks/rewards involved with keeping or losing him. But that's never been an issue so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Happy Face - sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think that is the truth underlying everything in football at the moment - how hard (or for Ashley, read 'expensive') it is to realistically improve to the level of Liverpool and Spurs etc. I do think we sometimes play as less than the sum of our parts though, but whether that translates into many extra league positions is hard to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 How depressing, we are stuck in a perpetual cycle of thrift coupled with average management (in many aspects)... Oh well, let's raise a glass to "top ten acheivment" i.e. 7th to 10th, we wouldn't want another season of squad sapping Uefa... would we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Personally it's a risk I'd be more then willing to take. If there's any chance that a managerial change will stop almost anyone in the top half being able to fuck us up the arse whenever they feel like it, or to actually start beating the mackems again instead of letting them come to SJP and take the piss out of us then bring it on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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