BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Interested to hear examples of players that Pardew has ruined? Wouldn't say he ruins players, he just doesn't get enough of them playing to their maximum potential, holds them back somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Interested to hear examples of players that Pardew has ruined? Wouldn't say he ruins players, he just doesn't get enough of them playing to their maximum potential, holds them back somewhat. The most frustration seems to be about Ben Arfa, but at Newcastle he's outdone his performance at either of his previous clubs in terms of end product. I think he's frustrating more than anyone else around him. Cabaye's slotted back in to the team putting in man of the match shows following what could have been a disastrous transfer fandango. The most frustrating thing with him is his woeful corners. Perhaps 1 day a week should be spent on corner routines to ensure we get a runner in front of the near post defender because Cabaye seems incapable of beating him. Or we should play them short. But I don't buy into the massive importance of scoring from corners that everyone else does. All the new signings are finding their feet in a new league so think it's harsh to judge them. Coloccini has made mistakes but still looks largely class if whoever he's alongside isn't totally losing the plot. Santon is still a bairn and needs to get the attack/defend balance right. Cisse has been provided better this season than he was all last season, he has failed to convert the chances he should be scoring. Anita has looked better than Tiote and kept Tiote out of the team temporarily. Which seemed to be the kick up the arse Tiote needed in the first half against Cardiff which was his best no-nonsense display in months...but which he failed to keep up for the full 90 minutes. Remy has been a beast.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Pardew's win column for us has more to do with a handful of players individual brilliance. He hasn't actually out managing or tactically beat the other team/manager save for a handful of matches, with the majority of those coming in the 5th place season. He deserves to be sacked, Newcastle United shouldn't be where it is, even with the current state of ownership & "board" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think my point was more along the lines of, does Graham Carr identify players that Pardew can use the way he wants to? It's seems quite clear that the players the club is buying don't really fit in with the way Pardew wants us to play. I know some may say that's a good thing but in truth it never can be. There is no correlation whatsoever between the needs of the team/squad and the players we buy. it's just not part of the criteria that we would go and chase strikers and pay an extra million or two to make sure we had the position covered. But Pardew knew that when he took the job and has never once complained about it. Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 As for Carr being overhyped, Ashley could always sack him and let Kinnear or Pardew identify some cloggers and see if their value holds up. I don't see him rushing to sack Carr any time soon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 As for Carr being overhyped, Ashley could always sack him and let Kinnear or Pardew identify some cloggers and see if their value holds up. I don't see him rushing to sack Carr any time soon though. Not suggesting Carr should be sacked. He's done a fine job at what he's asked to do. But I'm not aware of any other club scouts getting interviewed for telly and radio and getting write ups in the US press for revolutionising scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. It was on the floor when he started and it's not much better now although having the likes of Remy, Ba, Cabaye and Ben Arfa to work with at a massive club has obviously improved his profile. I can't see him ever getting a job at another big club though, and that's because his limits have been exposed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. Far higher, when he leaves us, he'll be amongst the high order betting candidates for when a low prem team job becomes available or a Championship job, weather he gets the job or not is another matter, but he's certainly put his name out there with us and done himself no harm for a future job at a decent enough club. He won't be going back down to League 1 anytime soon that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. Far higher, when he leaves us, he'll be amongst the high order betting candidates for when a low prem team job becomes available or a Championship job, weather he gets the job or not is another matter, but he's certainly put his name out there with us and done himself no harm for a future job at a decent enough club. He won't be going back down to League 1 anytime soon that's for sure. Depends if Ashley lets him see his contract out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. Far higher, when he leaves us, he'll be amongst the high order betting candidates for when a low prem team job becomes available or a Championship job, weather he gets the job or not is another matter, but he's certainly put his name out there with us and done himself no harm for a future job at a decent enough club. He won't be going back down to League 1 anytime soon that's for sure. So he'll only go to a 2nd rate club after this, no big clubs will touch him. I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. It was on the floor when he started and it's not much better now although having the likes of Remy, Ba, Cabaye and Ben Arfa to work with at a massive club has obviously improved his profile. I can't see him ever getting a job at another big club though, and that's because his limits have been exposed here. Tbf, Mascherano and Tevez are better than any of them players so he had worked with world class players elsewhere....and totally failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Why would he complain about, it's not like he's going to get a job as high profile or working with this calibre of player again in his lifetime. Do you reckon Pardew's stock in the football world is higher or lower than when he got the job with us? Genuine question. Far higher, when he leaves us, he'll be amongst the high order betting candidates for when a low prem team job becomes available or a Championship job, weather he gets the job or not is another matter, but he's certainly put his name out there with us and done himself no harm for a future job at a decent enough club. He won't be going back down to League 1 anytime soon that's for sure. So he'll only go to a 2nd rate club after this, no big clubs will touch him. I agree. Yeah without a doubt, no chance in hell he's going any bigger than us, this is a dream job for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. And the manager's. High expectations not really in Pardew's interests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. You say that as if Donnay and Lonsdale are not second rate sports brands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. You say that as if Donnay and Lonsdale are not second rate sports brands. Donnay was quite a high quality brand at one time, especially in the tennis world. Lonsdale I don't know that much about, but generally that's the SD business model, to buy brands that are struggling and incorporate them into his stores. If you look at the other football club he's trying to buy - Rangers - it fits the same profile. Big name club down on it's luck. Why doesn't he buy Luton or Watford if he needs a second rate club closer to home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ive been saying for ages its not nufc anymore. Its just the name he is trading under. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. You say that as if Donnay and Lonsdale are not second rate sports brands. Donnay was quite a high quality brand at one time, especially in the tennis world. Lonsdale I don't know that much about, but generally that's the SD business model, to buy brands that are struggling and incorporate them into his stores. If you look at the other football club he's trying to buy - Rangers - it fits the same profile. Big name club down on it's luck. Why doesn't he buy Luton or Watford if he needs a second rate club closer to home? Because he buys top brands and turns them into cheap tat. People who aren't paying attention think they're getting a good brand, those actually watching know it's cheap shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. You say that as if Donnay and Lonsdale are not second rate sports brands. Donnay was quite a high quality brand at one time, especially in the tennis world. Lonsdale I don't know that much about, but generally that's the SD business model, to buy brands that are struggling and incorporate them into his stores. If you look at the other football club he's trying to buy - Rangers - it fits the same profile. Big name club down on it's luck. Why doesn't he buy Luton or Watford if he needs a second rate club closer to home? Because he buys top brands and turns them into cheap tat. People who aren't paying attention think they're getting a good brand, those actually watching know it's cheap shite. Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. It has cost him an absolute fortune TBF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it. Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match. As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match. Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially. Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory. Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell. Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more. It is not the brand it was when he bought it. The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes. We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago. If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting. Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. It has cost him an absolute fortune TBF. Football clubs tend to cost a fortune, those who buy them aren't usually looking to make money from them in a hurry. If you want quick money I'm sure there are better ways of going about it. These days I think rich people buy football clubs to raise their own profile. It certainly seems to be the case with Abramovic and the City sheikhs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 TBF, our chairman's goal seems to be that we are a second rate cub. No, he wants to be a big club, but he wants to do it on the cheap. If he wanted a 2nd rate club he could have bought any amount of smaller London clubs like QPR or Fulham when they were up for sale. He wants the glamour and high profile of a club like Newcastle, but he doesn't want to pay for it. Not that different to what he's done to former big brands under his umbrella at SD with the likes of Donnay and Lonsdale. It has cost him an absolute fortune TBF. Football clubs tend to cost a fortune, those who buy them aren't usually looking to make money from them in a hurry. If you want quick money I'm sure there are better ways of going about it. These days I think rich people buy football clubs to raise their own profile. It certainly seems to be the case with Abramovic and the City sheikhs. Totally agree, I don't think Ashley bought us to make quick money. He's not that stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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