Alan Pardew

[TRon]

Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it.

 

Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match.

 

As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match.  Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially.

 

Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory.  Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell.

 

Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more.  It is not the brand it was when he bought it.  The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes.  We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago.

 

If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting.  Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show.

 

But I've never argued that we should go back to spending like a big club if we can't do it right. We paid for doing it wrong under Shepherd, and that's why he was forced into selling out. My view is we can get a better manager on the cheap who will make better use of the players we have already. I don't mind Ashley being tight-fisted, it's his money after all. But just stop appointing idiots who are out of their depth. Use some nous and hire coaches with promise rather than clapped out managers from 20 years ago.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it.

 

Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match.

 

As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match.  Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially.

 

Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory.  Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell.

 

Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more.  It is not the brand it was when he bought it.  The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes.  We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago.

 

If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting.  Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show.

 

But I've never argued that we should go back to spending like a big club if we can't do it right. We paid for doing it wrong under Shepherd, and that's why he was forced into selling out. My view is we can get a better manager on the cheap who will make better use of the players we have already. I don't mind Ashley being tight-fisted, it's his money after all. But just stop appointing idiots who are out of their depth. Use some nous and hire coaches with promise rather than clapped out managers from 20 years ago.

 

This is probably the biggest mystery about Ashley. He must realise that if he spent a relatively small amount of money on salaries for some better staff he would see the output from everyone go up by quite a bit. He doesn't seem to be prepared to do that though, it's the thing I find the most confusing about him.

[BottledDog]

Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it.

 

Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match.

 

As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match.  Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially.

 

Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory.  Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell.

 

Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more.  It is not the brand it was when he bought it.  The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes.  We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago.

 

If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting.  Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show.

 

But I've never argued that we should go back to spending like a big club if we can't do it right. We paid for doing it wrong under Shepherd, and that's why he was forced into selling out. My view is we can get a better manager on the cheap who will make better use of the players we have already. I don't mind Ashley being tight-fisted, it's his money after all. But just stop appointing idiots who are out of their depth. Use some nous and hire coaches with promise rather than clapped out managers from 20 years ago.

 

Bit harsh on KK that.

[TRon]

Then you should know better than anyone that Newcastle are a big brand. I was surprised to see you comparing the situation to your own when you said you wouldn't complain about your wife because you are no oil painting. Well Newcastle United IS an oil painting. Ashley knows it as well the fat bastard, that's why he's got his grubby mitts on it.

 

Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match.

 

As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match.  Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially.

 

Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory.  Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell.

 

Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more.  It is not the brand it was when he bought it.  The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes.  We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago.

 

If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting.  Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show.

 

But I've never argued that we should go back to spending like a big club if we can't do it right. We paid for doing it wrong under Shepherd, and that's why he was forced into selling out. My view is we can get a better manager on the cheap who will make better use of the players we have already. I don't mind Ashley being tight-fisted, it's his money after all. But just stop appointing idiots who are out of their depth. Use some nous and hire coaches with promise rather than clapped out managers from 20 years ago.

 

This is probably the biggest mystery about Ashley. He must realise that if he spent a relatively small amount of money on salaries for some better staff he would see the output from everyone go up by quite a bit. He doesn't seem to be prepared to do that though, it's the thing I find the most confusing about him.

 

Well you only have to look at a club being run on a similar budget at Goodison. Everton are also very tight-fisted, but when Moyes left they went for Martinez, and there was talk of Poyet before that. Martinez especially is a manager who is highly regarded and wouldn't have come cheap, but obviously Kenwright felt it was too important a position to skimp on. It's really not that hard to make a decent appointment if you are a club with the stature of Newcastle, even on a miser's budget.

[Happy Face]

 

But I've never argued that we should go back to spending like a big club if we can't do it right. We paid for doing it wrong under Shepherd, and that's why he was forced into selling out. My view is we can get a better manager on the cheap who will make better use of the players we have already. I don't mind Ashley being tight-fisted, it's his money after all. But just stop appointing idiots who are out of their depth. Use some nous and hire coaches with promise rather than clapped out managers from 20 years ago.

 

I said as much yesterday....

 

We are left with a rare opportunity in the ownership of Mike Ashley, one where he can sack the manager and not have the a manager coming in on the back foot.  Anyone Ashley appointed should benefit from an overwhelmingly positive reaction from the stands.  There are doubtless dozens of young up and coming managers around the world that would be made welcome, or if Ashley showed the ambition to go and get a proven manager with years of experience the entire club would be lifted.  The eternal optimism I have still keeps me hoping Pardew can put a run together.  That optimism, i know in my heart, is about as misplaced as any optimism that Ashley can correct the litany of mistakes above and bring in a man to unite us all on a charge up the table.  The more likely appointment would be Kinnearesque, if not Kinnear himself.

 

...but if Ashley ever had the opportunity to make a popular decision, it could follow the upcoming games against Liverpool, Sunderland, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs.

 

That view is not mutually exclusive from the one that Ashley is running us as a second rate club, whatever we would like to see him do.

[DJ_NUFC]

Amazing how many on here were talking crap about Martinez when he was available, now he's shaping Everton into a pretty decent side. I'm sure a lot of it is honeymoon period, but the man so far has shown aptitude at a bigger, better club.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Amazing how many on here were talking crap about Martinez when he was available, now he's shaping Everton into a pretty decent side. I'm sure a lot of it is honeymoon period, but the man so far has shown aptitude at a bigger, better club.

 

He's looking promising but it's a bit early to be saying he's reshaping Everton IMO. Getting Lukaku on loan was a result for him.

[DJ_NUFC]

Tru dat.

[Happy Face]

Everton pay their manager 10 times what Newcastle do. 

 

Martinez wasn't "available" either, they paid millions to release him from his Wigan contract.

 

Ashley would never show that ambition.

[DJ_NUFC]

Tru dat.

[DJ_NUFC]

The tug o'war between Ashley and Whelan for Martinez would've been epic though. Gardener vs. northern club member.

[Mick]

 

 

Newcastle in the early 2000s were a big brand with turnover to match.

 

As the decade wore on we kept trying to spend our way to the top but our performance didn't match.  Ashley bought a top brand that was struggling financially.

 

Like he does with all struggling brands he buys, he does not try to restore their former glory.  Rather he applies his own cheap methods to drive costs down while retaining the name that can sell.

 

Every season that Ashley keeps hold of the club, the brand is chepened more.  It is not the brand it was when he bought it.  The club as it is could not attract Sir Bobby Robson, it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes.  We have the cheapest tickets in the country, just to keep stadium approaching the capacity it could have doubled a decade ago.

 

If I went on a diet and used a bit of moisturiser i could be an oil painting.  Newcastle could be too, but it will never be while Ashley is running the show.

 

You make some canny assumptions.  You say we can't attract top sponsors, based on what?  What makes Newcastle a harder sell than Sunderland who have smaller gates and are shown less often on TV?

 

You claim we can't sell corporate boxes, if that is true why did we put up new boxes at the back of the Leazes only last season?

 

As for us having low ticket prices, that's because the club is shit and people are not willing to pay over the odds to have the piss ripped out of them.  If the club was run properly then people would be willing to pay more to watch a successful club.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

''You claim we can't sell corporate boxes, if that is true why did we put up new boxes at the back of the Leazes only last season?''

 

=

 

''Stack them high and sell them cheap''

 

[Mick]

''You claim we can't sell corporate boxes, if that is true why did we put up new boxes at the back of the Leazes only last season?''

 

=

 

''Stack them high and sell them cheap''

 

He said "it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes".

[TRon]

Everton pay their manager 10 times what Newcastle do. 

 

Martinez wasn't "available" either, they paid millions to release him from his Wigan contract.

 

Ashley would never show that ambition.

 

But that's just Everton getting their priorities right because they have people with a feel for the game making decisions. They still operate to a strict budget and you only have to listen to their fans over the last decade to see the truth in that. But I'll give their owner credit, he's savvy enough to realise the manager's position isn't one to cut corners and he's prepared to pay well to get it right. He won't have had any regrets watching them storm to a 3-0 lead over us last Monday while destroying us with far superior football.

[Happy Face]

So we're all in agreement.  If we were run properly and paid a manager properly and weren't seen as a joke we could easily attract a good man and top sponsors and sell tickets/boxes at the going rate.

 

But we aren't so we can't.

 

If Ashley was so inclined there's no limit on what we could do. He's not. So we're a second rate club with a second rate manager, second rate sponsors, second rate prices and third rate dof.

[jdckelly]

So we're all in agreement.  If we were run properly and paid a manager properly and weren't seen as a joke we could easily attract a good man and top sponsors and sell tickets/boxes at the going rate.

 

But we aren't so we can't.

 

If Ashley was so inclined there's no limit on what we could do. He's not. So we're a second rate club with a second rate manager, second rate sponsors, second rate prices and third rate dof.

we've hired someone to replace JFK? Because 3rd rate is generous for him

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

''You claim we can't sell corporate boxes, if that is true why did we put up new boxes at the back of the Leazes only last season?''

 

=

 

''Stack them high and sell them cheap''

 

He said "it can't attract top sponsors or players or sell it's corporate boxes".

 

You are a knob

 

 

Besides it can't see the fuckers - they've been whoring them round cheap recently.

[TRon]

So we're all in agreement.  If we were run properly and paid a manager properly and weren't seen as a joke we could easily attract a good man and top sponsors and sell tickets/boxes at the going rate.

 

But we aren't so we can't.

 

If Ashley was so inclined there's no limit on what we could do. He's not. So we're a second rate club with a second rate manager, second rate sponsors, second rate prices and third rate dof.

 

Agreed. But then it doesn't mean we have to all sit back and accept it. If he's appointing his mates to run our football club and they aren't doing a good job why should we let Pardew or Kinnear off the hook? They are getting paid to manage Newcastle, with it there comes certain expectations. If they aren't up to it, then they should expect criticism.

[Mick]

 

 

You are a knob

 

 

Besides it can't see the f***ers - they've been whoring them round cheap recently.

 

[Parky]

Businessman makes money from revitalizing failing brands shocka!!!

[r0cafella]

So we're all in agreement.  If we were run properly and paid a manager properly and weren't seen as a joke we could easily attract a good man and top sponsors and sell tickets/boxes at the going rate.

 

But we aren't so we can't.

 

If Ashley was so inclined there's no limit on what we could do. He's not. So we're a second rate club with a second rate manager, second rate sponsors, second rate prices and third rate dof.

 

Agreed. But then it doesn't mean we have to all sit back and accept it. If he's appointing his mates to run our football club and they aren't doing a good job why should we let Pardew or Kinnear off the hook? They are getting paid to manage Newcastle, with it there comes certain expectations. If they aren't up to it, then they should expect criticism.

 

Paid properly...

 

According to the sun Pardews 8 year contract is with 25 million

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4560310/Alan-Pardew-signs-eight-year-contract-at-Newcastle.html

[TRon]

Woohoo. Stability.

[Mattoon]

He's still shit then?

[Happy Face]

Agreed. But then it doesn't mean we have to all sit back and accept it. If he's appointing his mates to run our football club and they aren't doing a good job why should we let Pardew or Kinnear off the hook? They are getting paid to manage Newcastle, with it there comes certain expectations. If they aren't up to it, then they should expect criticism.

 

Mentioning Kinnear struck a chord with me there.  I've not been going off it with Kinnear in particular either.  He's not going to become a good DOF or all of a sudden start presenting a professional face for the club.  But that's because he is Joe Kinnear.  Ashley is to blame for giving him a job.  Joe Kinnear can't be blamed for being the Joe Kinnear everyone knows he is.

 

Same with Pardew, and almost every other appointment Ashley makes....or will ever make.