Guest bimpy474 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He can't get the midfield to work. Cabaye could be effective. Anita could be effective but they have to be given very defined roles. I'd be inclined to flog Tiote at this point. I don't think we're going to see the same player that we had in his first season. Certainly not under AP. I'm not overly impressed with Sissoko. Can he influence games to the extent we need a midfielder to? Can he be effective? Feels like we've carried him all season thus far. There's no shape or plan to the way the midfield plays and as a result we're rendering half decent players useless. Who the fuck is drilling these guys during the week? We have no pattern of play, no movement and that is down to the managers tactics/training. It's that simple really and you're spot on with what you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cabaye's goal wasn't a fluke in that the technique and the strike itself was quality. however, gimp is correct that it basically came out of nothing, and dragged us back into the game. So you disagree with gimp that it's a fluke then agree with every other single football fan with an ounce of intelligence that is was a great goal out if the blue which dragged us back in to the game. As long as disagree with Gimp's fluke analysis I'm cool with that. you're putting words in my mouth. I think that Gimp was saying exactly that. That the goal itself was fluke in terms of it coming from absolutely nothing. I could ebe wrong like. Holla at me gimp. Ok I take back what I said with you, the goal wasn't a fluke in any aspect! It was simply a great goal. We had been implying pressure and then Cabaye turns and lashes it into the top corner, no fluke in a million years! Can't believe that goal has the words fluke anywhere near it tbh, doesn't deserve it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cabaye's goal wasn't a fluke in that the technique and the strike itself was quality. however, gimp is correct that it basically came out of nothing, and dragged us back into the game. Thank you santoon. amazed that had to be explained Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cabaye's goal wasn't a fluke in that the technique and the strike itself was quality. however, gimp is correct that it basically came out of nothing, and dragged us back into the game. So you disagree with gimp that it's a fluke then agree with every other single football fan with an ounce of intelligence that is was a great goal out if the blue which dragged us back in to the game. As long as disagree with Gimp's fluke analysis I'm cool with that. The way you describe the second valf, it was all planned out . Like i said good hit, wasnt exactly team work that created the chance. i seem to remember the ball flapping about the everton box and it eventually breaking to cabaye who hit it. team goal no, individual technique aye. ill give him that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He can't get the midfield to work. Cabaye could be effective. Anita could be effective but they have to be given very defined roles. I'd be inclined to flog Tiote at this point. I don't think we're going to see the same player that we had in his first season. Certainly not under AP. I'm not overly impressed with Sissoko. Can he influence games to the extent we need a midfielder to? Can he be effective? Feels like we've carried him all season thus far. There's no shape or plan to the way the midfield plays and as a result we're rendering half decent players useless. Who the f*** is drilling these guys during the week? sissoko needs to be the one midfielder always driving forward to help out in the box, he should be constantly up and down between half way line and 18 yard box, with or without the ball. He's the one picking up anything that comes out or the extra man. He ain't doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cabaye's goal wasn't a fluke in that the technique and the strike itself was quality. however, gimp is correct that it basically came out of nothing, and dragged us back into the game. Thank you santoon. amazed that had to be explained Same Brett is angry and looking for any positives to spread on his morning toast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Not sure Cabaye's goal came out the blue as we hit the post not long before it. But that 2nd half masked a terrible performance. Indeed, Everton were appalling second half too. If that was one of he better teams would probably have been even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm out, when someone describes that we scored two flukey goals and the forum agrees, there's simply no point in carrying on this discussion. Doesn't matter if it was a wonder goal or long ball for a knock down and finish, they weren't flukey! However seems like Pardew's existence is taking the shine off two good goals, nevermind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Cabaye's goal wasn't a fluke in that the technique and the strike itself was quality. however, gimp is correct that it basically came out of nothing, and dragged us back into the game. Thank you santoon. amazed that had to be explained Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm out, when someone describes that we scored two flukey goals and the forum agrees, there's simply no point in carrying on this discussion. Doesn't matter if it was a wonder goal or long ball for a knock down and finish, they weren't flukey! However seems like Pardew's existence is taking the shine off two good goals, nevermind! He's shit though, and once again went to an away fixture so frightened he felt it best to change the strengths of our team to try and negate theirs. He's a fucking coward and I think I'd rather have even Kinnear in charge, although I don't believe he'd do the job. PARDEW OUT!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. gimp clarified what he meant in the next fucking post He fell in the trap of thinking Baines was a huge threat, to be fair, he was contained to an extent but that's not entirely hard, it's f***ing Leighton Baines!! A left back that plays for Everton and he picked a side to 'contain' him! Awful decision! He did prove a lot of ppl wrong tonight that he can't drop big names however, he just chose the wrong time to prove this. Feel like this could be the end of the yang-colo partnership (for now) but Williamson deserves his chance to stay in the side as he played a big part in that second half comeback regardless of how much stick he gets. Pardew has a big week ahead of him on the training ground and changes need to be made, but he's admitted that himself already. Tails will be up after that second half performance, we did ourselves proud in that second half and I actually can see us now beating Cardiff and I never fancy us away! Everton took their foot off the gas, our passing was still all over the place. we got two flukey goals. Good spin tho brett. Cabaye's goal was a fluke? yep I won't be replying to you no longer. Clueless! It was a good hit, great strike but it was exactly great team work that created it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. gimp clarified what he meant in the next f***ing post He fell in the trap of thinking Baines was a huge threat, to be fair, he was contained to an extent but that's not entirely hard, it's f***ing Leighton Baines!! A left back that plays for Everton and he picked a side to 'contain' him! Awful decision! He did prove a lot of ppl wrong tonight that he can't drop big names however, he just chose the wrong time to prove this. Feel like this could be the end of the yang-colo partnership (for now) but Williamson deserves his chance to stay in the side as he played a big part in that second half comeback regardless of how much stick he gets. Pardew has a big week ahead of him on the training ground and changes need to be made, but he's admitted that himself already. Tails will be up after that second half performance, we did ourselves proud in that second half and I actually can see us now beating Cardiff and I never fancy us away! Everton took their foot off the gas, our passing was still all over the place. we got two flukey goals. Good spin tho brett. Cabaye's goal was a fluke? yep I won't be replying to you no longer. Clueless! It was a good hit, great strike but it was exactly great team work that created it. So because no team work is involved a goal is flukey? I'm still baffled by this observation tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. gimp clarified what he meant in the next f***ing post He fell in the trap of thinking Baines was a huge threat, to be fair, he was contained to an extent but that's not entirely hard, it's f***ing Leighton Baines!! A left back that plays for Everton and he picked a side to 'contain' him! Awful decision! He did prove a lot of ppl wrong tonight that he can't drop big names however, he just chose the wrong time to prove this. Feel like this could be the end of the yang-colo partnership (for now) but Williamson deserves his chance to stay in the side as he played a big part in that second half comeback regardless of how much stick he gets. Pardew has a big week ahead of him on the training ground and changes need to be made, but he's admitted that himself already. Tails will be up after that second half performance, we did ourselves proud in that second half and I actually can see us now beating Cardiff and I never fancy us away! Everton took their foot off the gas, our passing was still all over the place. we got two flukey goals. Good spin tho brett. Cabaye's goal was a fluke? yep I won't be replying to you no longer. Clueless! It was a good hit, great strike but it was exactly great team work that created it. So because no team work is involved a goal is flukey? I'm still baffled by this observation tbh. Wtf does it matter? We lost and put in a terrible 1st half performance and we only showed up when the game looked over as a contest. Cabaye scored from outside the area. Do f**king do whoopee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. gimp clarified what he meant in the next f***ing post He fell in the trap of thinking Baines was a huge threat, to be fair, he was contained to an extent but that's not entirely hard, it's f***ing Leighton Baines!! A left back that plays for Everton and he picked a side to 'contain' him! Awful decision! He did prove a lot of ppl wrong tonight that he can't drop big names however, he just chose the wrong time to prove this. Feel like this could be the end of the yang-colo partnership (for now) but Williamson deserves his chance to stay in the side as he played a big part in that second half comeback regardless of how much stick he gets. Pardew has a big week ahead of him on the training ground and changes need to be made, but he's admitted that himself already. Tails will be up after that second half performance, we did ourselves proud in that second half and I actually can see us now beating Cardiff and I never fancy us away! Everton took their foot off the gas, our passing was still all over the place. we got two flukey goals. Good spin tho brett. Cabaye's goal was a fluke? yep I won't be replying to you no longer. Clueless! It was a good hit, great strike but it was exactly great team work that created it. So because no team work is involved a goal is flukey? I'm still baffled by this observation tbh. Wtf does it matter? We lost and put in a terrible 1st half performance and we only showed up when the game looked over as a contest. Cabaye scored from outside the area. Do f**king do whoopee. What he wants is for someone to post that it was Pardew that made the goal possible by making that magnificent tactical substitution at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Really?! All he said was that it was a fluke. The embellishment came later, from others. A fluke is Cisse's goal against West Brom, last year. Come on now. gimp clarified what he meant in the next f***ing post He fell in the trap of thinking Baines was a huge threat, to be fair, he was contained to an extent but that's not entirely hard, it's f***ing Leighton Baines!! A left back that plays for Everton and he picked a side to 'contain' him! Awful decision! He did prove a lot of ppl wrong tonight that he can't drop big names however, he just chose the wrong time to prove this. Feel like this could be the end of the yang-colo partnership (for now) but Williamson deserves his chance to stay in the side as he played a big part in that second half comeback regardless of how much stick he gets. Pardew has a big week ahead of him on the training ground and changes need to be made, but he's admitted that himself already. Tails will be up after that second half performance, we did ourselves proud in that second half and I actually can see us now beating Cardiff and I never fancy us away! Everton took their foot off the gas, our passing was still all over the place. we got two flukey goals. Good spin tho brett. Cabaye's goal was a fluke? yep I won't be replying to you no longer. Clueless! It was a good hit, great strike but it was exactly great team work that created it. So because no team work is involved a goal is flukey? I'm still baffled by this observation tbh. The reason i commented originally was because of the slightly over the top positive spin you put in your post. Again, good goal, great hit. No one was expecting it. It does not cover up the shower of shit everyone observed. Cabayes goal does not make me feel better about last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What I don't get is why he didn't select the same side and tactics that worked so well at Villa. Lukaku is a similarish type striker to Benteke, who Mapou did very well against. Changing our personnel and tactics to negate their full backs reeked of fear and this must transfer to the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He can't get the midfield to work. Cabaye could be effective. Anita could be effective but they have to be given very defined roles. I'd be inclined to flog Tiote at this point. I don't think we're going to see the same player that we had in his first season. Certainly not under AP. I'm not overly impressed with Sissoko. Can he influence games to the extent we need a midfielder to? Can he be effective? Feels like we've carried him all season thus far. There's no shape or plan to the way the midfield plays and as a result we're rendering half decent players useless. Who the f*** is drilling these guys during the week? sissoko needs to be the one midfielder always driving forward to help out in the box, he should be constantly up and down between half way line and 18 yard box, with or without the ball. He's the one picking up anything that comes out or the extra man. He ain't doing that. He's not and I don't think he's got the legs to either. He looked absolutely fucked after an hour last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I don't want anyone to post any Pardew superlatives, he cost us the game with a shit team selection , formation and game tactics! Simple as that. Game looked over at half time and question of how many Everton or Lakaku would score. We came out and showed ourselves in much better light, which in a way angered me more because we could have done that from the offset. Obviously case to be made Everton took foot off the gas but we give them a big warning with Gouff's effort that we weren't done just yet, then Cabaye scored a glorious goal (not a fluke) and we then tried to push on from that. It wasn't to be another great comeback but we give it a go at least, I bet few expected that after the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 You are still spinning mate. All we did in tge second half was reorganise a defence. Everton took their foit off the gas but still had sone good chances in our box. As for us we still misplaced passes and looked like a group of strangers playing together. Cabaye scored a good goal which caught everton out and we knicked a tap in at the end. Overall fuckin terrible. First half unforgiveable Second half slight improvement. If that game was at a vital part of the season everton would have murdered us. Awful dont let a good goal and a 3-2 score line blind you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Wasn't a great second half performance but it was the bare minimum we should expect in that finally we had someone attacking and winning defensive headers, players closing down properly in midfield and someone in Cabaye to get it down and move the ball forward faster. We got a great individual strike and a somewhat scrappy late 2nd which capped a decent 2nd half display. But I think it was a simply fact of catching Everton sleeping a little as they probably didn't expect to do a thing based on the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've said on here, we'll get beat off City, Villa, Everton, I think we'll win on Saturday so I'm now spinning things? It's just an opinion. Awful first half, much better second. Last night was a disaster, haven't said otherwise but still feel we have the ability within our side to do well and I'm in the thought of we can beat Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andybiotics Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just watched his interview after the game yesterday, and he did seem genuinely annoyed/angry at that first half performance. I think his teams the last couple of league games have been what the majority on here would of gone with aswell, just hasn't happened for us on the pitch. I did get the feeling that he's prepared to make some more changes ahead of the Cardiff game, which I do support. Sounds like some players have cost themselves a starting position this weekend. Have a feeling he'll get it right against Cardiff like. We can all see the first half performance against Everton wasn't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've said on here, we'll get beat off City, Villa, Everton, I think we'll win on Saturday so I'm now spinning things? It's just an opinion. Awful first half, much better second. Last night was a disaster, haven't said otherwise but still feel we have the ability within our side to do well and I'm in the thought of we can beat Cardiff. I think we'll win at Cardiff too. I think he won't be scared of them and will select a side to play to our strengths with the right players in their best positions. I just wish he'd do this every game though. Ok we may get beat but at least get beat having a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just watched his interview after the game yesterday, and he did seem genuinely annoyed/angry at that first half performance. I think his teams the last couple of league games have been what the majority on here would of gone with aswell, just hasn't happened for us on the pitch. I did get the feeling that he's prepared to make some more changes ahead of the Cardiff game, which I do support. Sounds like some players have cost themselves a starting position this weekend. Have a feeling he'll get it right against Cardiff like. We can all see the first half performance against Everton wasn't good enough. Don't think most on here would agree with him making so many changes to the team that beat Villa. Not only personal but positional as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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