Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The thing with firing AP is the risk factor of who or what comes next. I think the absolute best case scenario is an untested foreign manager, which is a risk in itself. I can't see anyone with any Premiership experience or gravitas wanting to work under JFK/MA. - Worst Case = JFK - JFK Friend/Choice - Lower league unknown - Lower league known (Pardew Lite) - Ex-Player who fancies a go at management - Experienced Freebie (Poyet/RDM etc) - Best Case = Untried Foreign Manager whose achieved something elsewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Worst case scenario is keeping Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Heard these Pardew's getting sacked rumours before. Really cant see Ashley doing it unless its some mutual thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Worst case scenario is keeping Pardew. I'd rather keep Pardew than have JFK in charge. There. I said it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Maybe Pardew and Kinnear could agree mutual death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Dawg UK Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Maybe Pardew and Kinnear could agree mutual death. we can all hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The thing with firing AP is the risk factor of who or what comes next. I think the absolute best case scenario is an untested foreign manager, which is a risk in itself. I can't see anyone with any Premiership experience or gravitas wanting to work under JFK/MA. - Worst Case = JFK - JFK Friend/Choice - Lower league unknown - Lower league known (Pardew Lite) - Ex-Player who fancies a go at management - Experienced Freebie (Poyet/RDM etc) - Best Case = Untried Foreign Manager whose achieved something elsewhere Would take Di Matteo asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Poyet or RDM would do. Still think it is inevitable JFK will get the poisoned chalice that is the Newcastle manager's job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The thing with firing AP is the risk factor of who or what comes next. I think the absolute best case scenario is an untested foreign manager, which is a risk in itself. I can't see anyone with any Premiership experience or gravitas wanting to work under JFK/MA. - Worst Case = JFK - JFK Friend/Choice - Lower league unknown - Lower league known (Pardew Lite) - Ex-Player who fancies a go at management - Experienced Freebie (Poyet/RDM etc) - Best Case = Untried Foreign Manager whose achieved something elsewhere Would take Di Matteo asap. You see, for me, I'd prefer to take a punt of a foreign manager on the off chance they turn out to be decent. I'm not sure RDM or GP are going to take us significantly further forward. Are they capable of changing cultures? Of embedding an ethos and style throughout a side? I'm not sure they are. I'm not sure anybody that's readily available is to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The thing with firing AP is the risk factor of who or what comes next. I think the absolute best case scenario is an untested foreign manager, which is a risk in itself. I can't see anyone with any Premiership experience or gravitas wanting to work under JFK/MA. - Worst Case = JFK - JFK Friend/Choice - Lower league unknown - Lower league known (Pardew Lite) - Ex-Player who fancies a go at management - Experienced Freebie (Poyet/RDM etc) - Best Case = Untried Foreign Manager whose achieved something elsewhere Would take Di Matteo asap. You see, for me, I'd prefer to take a punt of a foreign manager on the off chance they turn out to be decent. I'm not sure RDM or GP are going to take us significantly further forward. Are they capable of changing cultures? Of embedding an ethos and style throughout a side? I'm not sure they are. I'm not sure anybody that's readily available is to be honest. More capable than Pardew. Pardew has no reached his ceiling he struck the lottery when he was gifted our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The thing with firing AP is the risk factor of who or what comes next. I think the absolute best case scenario is an untested foreign manager, which is a risk in itself. I can't see anyone with any Premiership experience or gravitas wanting to work under JFK/MA. - Worst Case = JFK - JFK Friend/Choice - Lower league unknown - Lower league known (Pardew Lite) - Ex-Player who fancies a go at management - Experienced Freebie (Poyet/RDM etc) - Best Case = Untried Foreign Manager whose achieved something elsewhere Would take Di Matteo asap. You see, for me, I'd prefer to take a punt of a foreign manager on the off chance they turn out to be decent. I'm not sure RDM or GP are going to take us significantly further forward. Are they capable of changing cultures? Of embedding an ethos and style throughout a side? I'm not sure they are. I'm not sure anybody that's readily available is to be honest. More capable than Pardew. Pardew has no reached his ceiling he struck the lottery when he was gifted our club. Agree that he struck gold but I really don't have any confidence that the other options out there are significantly better. It's a bit of a vicious circle this though because who, with any real talent, would align themselves to our shite ownership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 We need someone proven, although we never will get that. We've had shite sub standard managers for years and we wonder why we suffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 As unrealistic as it sounds id cry of happiness if we got Bielsa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Di Matteo is significantly better, his Chelsea played good football ( once he got the job the CL run style was turgid obv) and they were still in the title race before he got the boot. I'd take him all day long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 We need someone proven, although we never will get that. We've had shite sub standard managers for years and we wonder why we suffer. I don't see anybody who is proven to be good coming to work for JFK. It's an oxymoron. Forget it, it's not going to happen. That's why I think the most likely 'best case' is an unknown foreigner, another Ashley gamble. It's obviously more likely to be a Poyet or Di Matteo, of course, but to me that wouldn't be the best outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I suppose, another way of looking at this, is to ask yourself who would you be gutted that the Mackems appointed? Of those realistically available to both clubs, who would you be pissed off that they appointed first or ahead of us? There's nobody for me because even Poyet or RdM is a risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I don't see anybody who is proven to be good coming to work for JFK. It's an oxymoron. Forget it, it's not going to happen. That's why I think the most likely 'best case' is an unknown foreigner, another Ashley gamble. It's obviously more likely to be a Poyet or Di Matteo, of course, but to me that wouldn't be the best outcome. I'd take your hand off for Poyet or Di Matteo, at least I could regain some hope that we won't be shite by default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Di Matteo is significantly better, his Chelsea played good football ( once he got the job the CL run style was turgid obv) and they were still in the title race before he got the boot. I'd take him all day long. There's an argument to say that it's easier getting £xxxm's of first team talent to play decent football when they are inherently better footballers than most of their opponents anyway, that's why they play at Chelsea and not Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I don't see anybody who is proven to be good coming to work for JFK. It's an oxymoron. Forget it, it's not going to happen. That's why I think the most likely 'best case' is an unknown foreigner, another Ashley gamble. It's obviously more likely to be a Poyet or Di Matteo, of course, but to me that wouldn't be the best outcome. I'd take your hand off for Poyet or Di Matteo, at least I could regain some hope that we won't be shite by default. What makes you think they'd be 'that' much better than AP though? What have they proven elsewhere to give you that confidence? Edit - and forget about the CL victory for RDM. I had just as much to do with that as he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Di Matteo is significantly better, his Chelsea played good football ( once he got the job the CL run style was turgid obv) and they were still in the title race before he got the boot. I'd take him all day long. There's an argument to say that it's easier getting £xxxm's of first team talent to play decent football when they are inherently better footballers than most of their opponents anyway, that's why they play at Chelsea and not Norwich. Yet Pardew can't get anything from our significantly better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Di Matteo is significantly better, his Chelsea played good football ( once he got the job the CL run style was turgid obv) and they were still in the title race before he got the boot. I'd take him all day long. There's an argument to say that it's easier getting £xxxm's of first team talent to play decent football when they are inherently better footballers than most of their opponents anyway, that's why they play at Chelsea and not Norwich. Yet Pardew can't get anything from our significantly better players. True but AP didn't follow on from years of work from top managers like Mourinho, Schlori etc etc. Also, Chelsea have a fairly solid group of established players who've probably got a big say in terms of culture. To a greater or lesser extent I should imagine Terry/Lampard etc pretty much train themselves, know their roles and can quickly understand what a new manager wants from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 What makes you think they'd be 'that' much better than AP though? What have they proven elsewhere to give you that confidence? I don't know that they are better but at least I would be able to have a bit of hope, I know Pardew is a poor manager. I don't know that the other two are as bad as he is and it would be worth the gamble. My first choice would be to get enough points to get through to the summer and sack him then and replace him with somebody better but that's not going to happen. Sacking him is more likely to be reactionary rather than something planned for the good of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Edit - and forget about the CL victory for RDM. I had just as much to do with that as he did. That's rubbish, they were virtually out of the CL before he took over, I'm sure they were 3-1 down from the first leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 What makes you think they'd be 'that' much better than AP though? What have they proven elsewhere to give you that confidence? I don't know that they are better but at least I would be able to have a bit of hope, I know Pardew is a poor manager. I don't know that the other two are as bad as he is and it would be worth the gamble. My first choice would be to get enough points to get through to the summer and sack him then and replace him with somebody better but that's not going to happen. Sacking him is more likely to be reactionary rather than something planned for the good of the club. Yep - makes sense. There's nobody on the market in Ashleys price range (£0) that inspires me to think we should bullet AP before this guys gets snapped up. I think AP has shot his bolt here and is a busted flush now but there's no point in replacing dross with dross. Like you, I'd prefer to wait for the right appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Besides Di Matteo won the FA Cup that year as well, i and everyone else here would snap your hands off for one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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