Offside rule

[Optimistic Nut]

5 minutes ago, SEMTEX said:

I'm fine with trying this. Don't think it'll help with VAR tedium at all, but it brings offside clearer to what I personally would prefer the law be.

 

Might be wrong, but now wouldn't there just be one line needed? One line from the furthest point back of the last defender, does any of the attacker overlap this? Yes, goal. No, offside. 

[Deuce]

However “offside” is ultimately defined, the use of VAR, for all ref decisions and not just offside calls, should be limited to a set number of manager challenges: the ruling on the field stands unless overturned on appeal to VAR. It works very well in sports with far more rules than football (e.g. American football), no reason why it wouldn’t work here. Preferable to the current system of auto reviewing every single action of consequence.

 

 

Edited March 2 by Deuce

[Cf]

This wenger thing is ridiculous as well. 

 

If we REALLY need VAR for offside then do it like this:

 

VAR is shown a snapshot of the side on view. They have 5 seconds to adjudicate if it's offside following the same rule as a linesman - benefit of the doubt to attacker, only give if it's obviously offside. 

[Superior Acuña]

1 minute ago, Deuce said:

However “offside” is ultimately defined, the use of VAR, for all ref decisions and not just offside calls, should be limited to manager challenges: the ruling on the field stands unless overturned on appeal to VAR. It works very well in sports with far more rules than football (e.g. American football), no reason why it wouldn’t work here. Preferable to the current system of auto reviewing every single action of consequence.

I’m not sure I like this. It seems like VAR becomes even more part of the game then, even if implemented less. Tindall shithousing with VAR challenges, losing because we’d already used up our challenges or because Arteta is better at spotting a brush off the hand than Eddie is.  I tend to think football can’t learn a lot off other sports for VAR because it’s very different in this regard (hence VAR being inherently shit in football while not necessarily so for other sports)

[Deuce]

1 minute ago, Superior Acuña said:

Tindall shithousing with VAR challenges, losing because we’d already used up our challenges or because Arteta is better at spotting a brush off the hand than Eddie is.

This puts it on the coaching staff rather than VAR though. VAR challenges become another skill coaches have to develop.

 

I hear what you’re saying…just think that if VAR is inevitable, implement a system that limits its impact on the natural flow of the game.

[morpeth mag]

3 hours ago, Deuce said:

However “offside” is ultimately defined, the use of VAR, for all ref decisions and not just offside calls, should be limited to a set number of manager challenges: the ruling on the field stands unless overturned on appeal to VAR. It works very well in sports with far more rules than football (e.g. American football), no reason why it wouldn’t work here. Preferable to the current system of auto reviewing every single action of consequence.

 

 

 

In NFL every touchdown is reviewed and every play towards the end I believe. I look forward to every decision being made by AI on a consistent and accurate basis. The problem is that at present VAR is taking too long. Partially this is new technology but partially this is because the rules need to be rewritten for the modern age and we need to agree things like what is handball rather than leave it to subjective opinion 

 

[Cf]

7 minutes ago, morpeth mag said:

We need to agree things like what is handball rather than leave it to subjective opinion 

 

 

Go on then. 

[Deuce]

40 minutes ago, morpeth mag said:

In NFL every touchdown is reviewed and every play towards the end I believe. I look forward to every decision being made by AI on a consistent and accurate basis. The problem is that at present VAR is taking too long. Partially this is new technology but partially this is because the rules need to be rewritten for the modern age and we need to agree things like what is handball rather than leave it to subjective opinion 

 

Yeah I imagine they’d still want to review every goal automatically. Sucks because it delays the celebration, but with so much ($€£) on the line…

[Mike]

5 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Yeah I imagine they’d still want to review every goal automatically. Sucks because it delays the celebration, but with so much ($€£) on the line…

 

I'm so god damn dumb I'm wondering what the fuck SEL is.

[TheBrownBottle]

7 hours ago, Deuce said:

However “offside” is ultimately defined, the use of VAR, for all ref decisions and not just offside calls, should be limited to a set number of manager challenges: the ruling on the field stands unless overturned on appeal to VAR. It works very well in sports with far more rules than football (e.g. American football), no reason why it wouldn’t work here. Preferable to the current system of auto reviewing every single action of consequence.

 

 

 

Gridiron is a stop-start sport with no pyramid structure - video replays are perfectly fine for it.  Football should never have went anywhere near it - but if it is, I’m not keen on challenges. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, morpeth mag said:

In NFL every touchdown is reviewed and every play towards the end I believe. I look forward to every decision being made by AI on a consistent and accurate basis. The problem is that at present VAR is taking too long. Partially this is new technology but partially this is because the rules need to be rewritten for the modern age and we need to agree things like what is handball rather than leave it to subjective opinion 

 

The only way to do this with handballs to make any time the ball hits a hand a FK /pen.  Players will spend their time trying to hit the opposition’s hands.  Otherwise it is going to have a degree of subjectivity. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The best possible handball rule is subjective IMO, did the guy try to handle the ball on purpose? Usually it's pretty obvious they didn't.

 

A massive reduction in penalties would be great for football as well, such a low-scoring sport shouldn't be decided by random incidents giving teams free goals for nothing. 

[toontownman]

So basically, if it gets implemented  next year..

[Cf]

10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The best possible handball rule is subjective IMO, did the guy try to handle the ball on purpose? Usually it's pretty obvious they didn't.

 

A massive reduction in penalties would be great for football as well, such a low-scoring sport shouldn't be decided by random incidents giving teams free goals for nothing. 

 

I think there's a little bit more to it than "was it on purpose" but I agree with the sentiment. Take for instance the situation where a player slides to try to block a cross but it hits a trailing hand. He hasn't "intentionally" blocked it with his hand but has put it hand in a position where it could block it and so for me that's a foul. 

 

The main issue for me is the punishment of penalty in the majority of handball cases doesn't fit the crime. I wonder if you could do something like indirect free kick instead with penalty reserved for serious offences. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

For me the 'slide and it hits the hand' would only be a foul if the player had deliberately made himself bigger or moved the hand somewhere where the ball could reasonably expected to go. Trailing arm for me would most likely be deemed accidental and no penalty. Arm in the air or not normally positioned for the blocking action would probably be a pen. 

 

But yeah, making it an indirect FK or something would at least soften the blow and lead to fewer free goals based on bad luck. 

[Superior Acuña]

39 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

I think there's a little bit more to it than "was it on purpose" but I agree with the sentiment. Take for instance the situation where a player slides to try to block a cross but it hits a trailing hand. He hasn't "intentionally" blocked it with his hand but has put it hand in a position where it could block it and so for me that's a foul. 

 

The main issue for me is the punishment of penalty in the majority of handball cases doesn't fit the crime. I wonder if you could do something like indirect free kick instead with penalty reserved for serious offences. 

 

I tend to think that's not a foul at all. To me the point of handball is stop people deliberately using their hands and separate the sport from likes of rugby, it's not to pretend arms don't exist. I reckon if you whack a ball and it hits a flailing arm, that's fine, that's on the attacker, arms exist and shouldn't be considered lava, they just shouldn't be used.

 

However, if we are to treat them that way, then yes I agree the way forward is prob indirect FK and only a pen in cases where denies goal scoring opportunity.