Jack Flash Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 On the other hand, loads of our fans still give Pardew time and we still get 50k every game. Most outsiders don't even realize there's a problem here. I've never actually said anything about how good he is because I haven't watched anything from his teams and don't tent to trust other peoples opinions for the reason stated above. All I'm saying is the Birmingham job is a massive pain in the arse and will continue to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Lee Ryder's window must have been covered in hallucinogenic drugs which he licked clean. Sycophantic to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 That's true. But I mean I've watched them, and I've got blues supporting mates so I get a good amount of insight. It is, and I wouldn't argue against it but the likes of wolves/Bournemouth/ Ipswich/Rotherham/Brentford are all performing way better on similar budgets Wolves and Bournemouth will have much bigger budgets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Right on time: @lee_ryder: I know plenty of #nufc fans who would have Lee Clark back at SJP. You can't put a price on his passion. http://t.co/LBXpsZEedF Sadly he's right. There are plenty of thick fans who think being a geordie is the foremost qualification for being a Newcastle manager. No there isn't, but there are fans who want a manager they can believe in, who can at least try and understand the club, Keegan was from Yorkshire but the fans responded to his style of play.Even Bobby Robson was a Durham lad but having a North East background and being a United fan from a young age helped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 How does understanding the club help you tactically against Arsenal, or help you develop a young player into a top class one? Completely beyond me that, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 How does understanding the club help you tactically against Arsenal, or help you develop a young player into a top class one? Completely beyond me that, I'm afraid. So it doesn't matter if a manager doesn't have the understanding of the soul of a club ? The type of player a club who fits in with a certain philosophy of what football should be ? If Keegan understood and Robson understood and even before that Harvey understood then I don't see why there isn't a manager out there who could do the same for us. If thats beyond you, you should be afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's as brainless as the idiot Man U fan who wanted Solskjaer to replace Moyes because he has 'red in his blood'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the soul of the club then? You know it when you see it out there on the pitch. It's belief, excitement, faith and a sense of optimism, we've had it in the past, perhaps one day we will have it again.Perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So the same as every other club? Do they not all want those things? Of course not, Next daft question, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the soul of the club then? You know it when you see it out there on the pitch. It's belief, excitement, faith and a sense of optimism, we've had it in the past, perhaps one day we will have it again.Perhaps. Pretty sure Southampton have got that with a Dutchman who's been there five minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the soul of the club then? You know it when you see it out there on the pitch. It's belief, excitement, faith and a sense of optimism, we've had it in the past, perhaps one day we will have it again.Perhaps. Pretty sure Southampton have got that with a Dutchman who's been there five minutes. So the same as every other club? Do they not all want those things? Of course not, Next daft question, this attitude doesn't do us any favours at all. Every single set of fans wants their club to be something great. It's not unique to us, its nothing to do with the area. So belief in, and support for Newcastle United has nothing to do with the region ? Is that what you are saying ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the soul of the club then? You know it when you see it out there on the pitch. It's belief, excitement, faith and a sense of optimism, we've had it in the past, perhaps one day we will have it again.Perhaps. Pretty sure Southampton have got that with a Dutchman who's been there five minutes. But Ashley would never go for anyone who doesn't fit in with his penny pinching dour vision for United, so why would Koeman or someone like him come here ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'd sooner base candidates on acumen and achievement than unquantifiable notions of passion and understanding. They're not mutually exclusive like, but the former is vastly more important than the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 did former captain and adopted Geordie Glenn Roeder understand the soul of the club? this all sounds like the exceptionalist garbage the scousers come out with about "the Liverpool way", an entitlement to attractive attacking football unique only to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The point is even weirder considering the conversation has spurred from fucking Lee Clark It goes without saying that passion and an understanding of the club would be a welcome bonus of any manager like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 did former captain and adopted Geordie Glenn Roeder understand the soul of the club? this all sounds like the exceptionalist garbage the scousers come out with about "the Liverpool way", an entitlement to attractive attacking football unique only to them. Cockney managers very rarely do well up North. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the soul of the club then? You know it when you see it out there on the pitch. It's belief, excitement, faith and a sense of optimism, we've had it in the past, perhaps one day we will have it again.Perhaps. Pretty sure Southampton have got that with a Dutchman who's been there five minutes. So the same as every other club? Do they not all want those things? Of course not, Next daft question, this attitude doesn't do us any favours at all. Every single set of fans wants their club to be something great. It's not unique to us, its nothing to do with the area. So belief in, and support for Newcastle United has nothing to do with the region ? Is that what you are saying ? No not at all. Point out where on earth I said that. I said that broadly all football fans support their club want to see the things you listed and they are in absolutely no way unique to the region. Let other fans speak up for their teams I can't. Newcastle United are unique to me, they do and should represent the region, they have roots here and are an important and high profile representative of the North East, that might not mean anything to you, perhaps it can't, but it does to me. If a manager or owner comes here they should be at first competent but they should also take time to appreciate what makes this club what it is, and should and can be, why is that too much to ask for ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 this all sounds like the exceptionalist garbage the scousers come out with about "the Liverpool way", an entitlement to attractive attacking football unique only to them. On the other hand, it's part of the reason they won't accept finishing 16th as a good season. A sense of entitlement in fans isn't a bad thing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The point is even weirder considering the conversation has spurred from f***ing Lee Clark It goes without saying that passion and an understanding of the club would be a welcome bonus of any manager like. Of course they should and they don't need to be from the region to "get it" Keegan wasn't and he gave me great memories thats all most people ask for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's very easy to make empty platitudes though even if you have the skill to back it up. Pardew makes all the right noises about living being here and understanding us and ultimately it means nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm lost here like, it all seems pointlessly sentimental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Give it up lads, Mandy is never gonna get it, he's not a real geordie. Never will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It's very easy to make empty platitudes though even if you have the skill to back it up. Pardew makes all the right noises about living being here and understanding us and ultimately it means nothing. He really doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The point is even weirder considering the conversation has spurred from f***ing Lee Clark It goes without saying that passion and an understanding of the club would be a welcome bonus of any manager like. Of course they should and they don't need to be from the region to "get it" Keegan wasn't and he gave me great memories thats all most people ask for. We just need a good manager who prefers positive football (and that's certainly not Lee Clark), nothing else really matters. They could never have heard of Newcastle United for all I care. I mean I'd prefer them to be dashingly handsome, have decent craic, and a preference for snazzy suits on the touchline too but it all comes secondary to them being good at managing a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can't believe its taken this long for him to get sacked. Birmingham have been woeful for ages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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