Interpolic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 There are different levels of rubbish - I can recall various quarter finals, semi finals and finals we've got to since I was old enough to start following the club. I think Pardew has had 7 chances now and we've never made it past the second hurdle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Even Souness got us to a semi-final and roeder into 2 1/4 finals. We can't even get past the 4th round without being knocked out by some lower league team under Pardew. Big contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Even Souness got us to a semi-final and roeder into 2 1/4 finals. We can't even get past the 4th round without being knocked out by some lower league team under Pardew. Big contrast. Last 16 under Roeder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Even Souness got us to a semi-final and roeder into 2 1/4 finals. We can't even get past the 4th round without being knocked out by some lower league team under Pardew. Big contrast. Last under 16 Roeder 1/4 final of FA Cup 05/06. 1/4 of league cup 06/07. Last 16 of Europa League 06/07. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. this post beggars belief, it's actually borderline unbelievable to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. this post beggars belief, it's actually borderline unbelievable to me What do you find unbelievable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Sorry, I was being a bit uncharitable actually as I forgot about our Europa run last year, which was a canny effort and about par for what I'd expect or perhaps even a round further. Still feel like the negative tactics 2nd leg against Benfica weren't necessary though - you'll never convince me that a 20 minute blast beats a concerted 90 minute effort as an approach because that's not the way I look at football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. this post beggars belief, it's actually borderline unbelievable to me What do you find unbelievable? i find it staggering that a fan of a football team could write this, i believe a paying ST holder no less? "how can we expect the players and management" to be bothered about playing in the cups? holy fuck, because that's their job and 1,000's people come to watch the team try to win - the players i partially understand because they have the spectre of doom telling them how tired they are, how they can't compete, and that the cups aren't important...you're basically accepting that the man has no integrity as a football manager, you understand that right? as for the bit in red, on top of acknowledging the man is a puppet/fraud you're also accepting he's a shit manager because when he changes the team in the cup we're essentially doomed to fail so his record goes - he's a manager who can only get a performance out of a tiny group of people, and that's if mike and joe tell him it's ok to do so what do you think poyet would have done if ellis short had said the game at OT last night wasn't a priority? i've never, in all my years of watching football, so much as heard of a manager who danced to the owners tune like pardew it's fucking sickening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? Pardew hasn't started his strongest side in the cup once & we've done literally nothing in them, if the club were arsed surely he'd be bollocked for it & our priorities would change? They said in the fans forum it wasn't a priority, it's just a shame they never published the fans reply, The prize money for the league cup is £100'000. Mike Ashley wouldn't get out of his scratcher for that kind of money. this post beggars belief, it's actually borderline unbelievable to me What do you find unbelievable? i find it staggering that a fan of a football team could write this, i believe a paying ST holder no less? "how can we expect the players and management" to be bothered about playing in the cups? holy f***, because that's their job and 1,000's people come to watch the team try to win - the players i partially understand because they have the spectre of doom telling them how tired they are, how they can't compete, and that the cups aren't important...you're basically accepting that the man has no integrity as a football manager, you understand that right? as for the bit in red, on top of acknowledging the man is a puppet/fraud you're also accepting he's a s*** manager because when he changes the team in the cup we're essentially doomed to fail so his record goes - he's a manager who can only get a performance out of a tiny group of people, and that's if mike and joe tell him it's ok to do so what do you think poyet would have done if ellis short had said the game at OT last night wasn't a priority? i've never, in all my years of watching football, so much as heard of a manager who danced to the owners tune like pardew it's f***ing sickening Where was I excusing it? I'm just telling you how it is. This is the reality and if you don't like it don't shoot the messenger. If you're staggered that I can comprehend how my football team works I'm equally staggered that you can't. It's grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 if you know anything abouy psychology or sport psychology you just cant say that Pardew has nothing to do about it. and motivation isnt just about to tell someone to give it all. its more complex then that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Where was I excusing it? I'm just telling you how it is. If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be? i'll hold my hands up if i misread this then because it sounds very much to me like you're excusing the players and manager from being arsed because the board are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The attitude comes from the top. Simple as. Again though - it's just reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The attitude comes from the top. Simple as. Again though - it's just reality. so in fact then you are on a personal level excusing pardew from doing his job to the best of his ability because ashley tells him cups are not a priority? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Do you just want something to be angry at? There's a million and one basic work place analogies that could be used in this instance i.e project 1 carries incentive, project 2 you're told not to bother with but I really can't be arsed with you. I feel you're wishing to paint me in a bad light Mojo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It pervades a lot of clubs and competitions now, the PL is everything to most clubs. The idea that every club gives a 100% to win every competition is just idealism and no longer corresponds to reality. Sad but true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Do you just want something to be angry at? There's a million and one basic work place analogies that could be used in this instance i.e project 1 carries incentive, project 2 you're told not to bother with but I really can't be arsed with you. I feel you're wishing to paint me in a bad light Mojo. i'm really not, i'm just bemused at how ok you are with pardew being so pliant what grinds my gears as much as anything is he's remembered as a player for one thing as far as i know, scoring in the semi of the FA cup, i wonder if he looks back on that game as time he could have spent shopping with the wife instead, or just having a rest so palace could make sure they finished in a better spot that year? i don't care about ashley or what he says to pardew, i care about how little integrity this man has that he bends so easily and ultimately denies his own players the chance of glory he had himself once upon a time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued. Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued. Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game". didn't seem to martinez or poyet tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued. Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game". didn't seem to martinez or poyet tbh Do you disagree with the wider point though? Or can you just think of a couple of counter examples? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It pervades a lot of clubs and competitions now, the PL is everything to most clubs. The idea that every club gives a 100% to win every competition is just idealism and no longer corresponds to reality. Sad but true. And still other clubs manage to get to quarter finals, semi finals, finals and even win cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 and how many of those clubs boards come out and tell them not to bother? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Dunno mate, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This season's FA Cup was by far the worst betrayal so far in his tenure. He'd got us in a position where safety is virtually assured by January with a huge gap to 10th place and was still too fearful to put the real team out at home to Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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