Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business I might be in the minority here but that's not how I view football. I'm with you, performances and how football is played are important to me. It's an entertainment business as well. I dont even look at it like that either (i know that's true mind). I'm the same from kids football to the very top. Football should be about passing it, movement, good to watch stuff. Which we did first half yesterday. I really have no idea how anyone can enjoy what West Ham did second half, and what we did for most of last season. There's a place for a long pass in football, not a long hopeful punt imo. Why are you comparing last season to this, we're light-years better this season and have been since last January when the reinforcements arrived, we're bottom of the long ball table. We are improving all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business I might be in the minority here but that's not how I view football. I'm with you, performances and how football is played are important to me. You must have loved the game yesterday then. First half was brilliant, second half was an expected defensive display that frustrates in the knowledge it doesn't have to be that way. Because our manager has no idea what to do when we get pushed back other than bringing on the worst striker in the Premiership. And by so doing, giving up even more possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business I might be in the minority here but that's not how I view football. I'm with you, performances and how football is played are important to me. It's an entertainment business as well. I dont even look at it like that either (i know that's true mind). I'm the same from kids football to the very top. Football should be about passing it, movement, good to watch stuff. Which we did first half yesterday. I really have no idea how anyone can enjoy what West Ham did second half, and what we did for most of last season. There's a place for a long pass in football, not a long hopeful punt imo. Why are you comparing last season to this, we're light-years better this season and have been since last January when the reinforcements arrived, we're bottom of the long ball table. We are improving all the time. It's just my view about long ball, but twist it to suit your own point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Who were them three on Sunday Supplement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business Pardew knew the circumstances hence why he took the job as a failed manager of a League 1 club. Keegan was lied to. And you cant even begin to compare the state of the team Keegan had to the far superior squad Pardew has. In short, you're wrong. Of course I'm wrong I'm not an anti-Pardew zealot No, only about the comparisons with Keegan. Pardew on other things would be slightly different. I can't stand the defensive second half s*** we always do. But you would have to be blind not to praise the first half, and our second goal was the best we've scored since the two breakaway goals at W.B.A. two seasons ago. We didn't go defensive, see my post way above, we were put on the back foot, it happens in virtually all premiership games every team has a "spell", manager changed it and we were the most dangerous of the two teams again and we won again. I am ingrained as a decades old Newcastle fan to expect us to cock it up from winning/being the better team positions but we're actually getting better at not doing it. The view that the Anita/Shola substitution was a defensive step is nonsense, the game I watched just doesn't back that up, WHU had a couple of chances but apart from the 47th - 60th minute we were in pretty damn good control and continued to be the most threatening. The manager is getting better, as is the team/squad. Change would be for changes sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ignoring who the manager is I would much rather see us being battered for 89 minutes but win 1-0 than us playing really well and lose or draw. Getting back to who the manager is I would love us to have the mentality that we have to hurt the opposition as much as possible. Score 1 and get the second, score 2 and get the third rather than score and try and make sure they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business I might be in the minority here but that's not how I view football. I'm with you, performances and how football is played are important to me. It's an entertainment business as well. I dont even look at it like that either (i know that's true mind). I'm the same from kids football to the very top. Football should be about passing it, movement, good to watch stuff. Which we did first half yesterday. I really have no idea how anyone can enjoy what West Ham did second half, and what we did for most of last season. There's a place for a long pass in football, not a long hopeful punt imo. Why are you comparing last season to this, we're light-years better this season and have been since last January when the reinforcements arrived, we're bottom of the long ball table. We are improving all the time. It's just my view about long ball, but twist it to suit your own point. We neither statistically nor visually play hoofball. I just don't see why this nonsense is perpetuated. (well I do because of the ingrained agenda on here). I am totally ambivalent towards Pardew, but I believe he's getting better and certainly results, and latterly performances, would support that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ignoring who the manager is I would much rather see us being battered for 89 minutes but win 1-0 than us playing really well and lose or draw. Getting back to who the manager is I would love us to have the mentality that we have to hurt the opposition as much as possible. Score 1 and get the second, score 2 and get the third rather than score and try and make sure they don't. We had that mentality yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 wrt yesterday are some people not ignoring how fucking appalling west ham were in their discussion and analysis? pardew's consistent 2nd half mentality just invites teams like that to play above what they were and to put ourselves under pressure, god he's a fucking horrible manager if i was the manager of an opposing team i'd be telling my players to make sure they're within 2 goals if at all possible because anyone watching us on a semi-regular basis will know he's going to withdraw our attacking intent in some way, shape or form the lack of variation from the man is truly awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. Has Laudrup regressed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. 100% agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 wrt yesterday are some people not ignoring how f***ing appalling west ham were in their discussion and analysis? pardew's consistent 2nd half mentality just invites teams like that to play above what they were and to put ourselves under pressure, god he's a f***ing horrible manager if i was the manager of an opposing team i'd be telling my players to make sure they're within 2 goals if at all possible because anyone watching us on a semi-regular basis will know he's going to withdraw our attacking intent in some way, shape or form the lack of variation from the man is truly awful He didn't do that yesterday, you believe he will/want him to, ergo it's a fact, it's actually bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given. Pardew is an embarrassment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. Has Laudrup regressed Laudrup has a trophy on his CV for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. If a manager isn't able to juggle 2 games a week, then he has some serious short comings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm not sure why Pardew felt it necessary to go out of his way to give credit to fat Sam specifically and West Ham for their second half performance. Allardyce, the fat cunt wouldn't even give us credit for the quality of the first two goals when he was interviewed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given. Pardew is an embarrassment. Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. If a manager isn't able to juggle 2 games a week, then he has some serious short comings. Laudrup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. If a manager isn't able to juggle 2 games a week, then he has some serious short comings. Laudrup Seemed to manage it last season when he won the League Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. If a manager isn't able to juggle 2 games a week, then he has some serious short comings. Laudrup pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now. I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame. Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9 He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere. Bit unfair to just ignore the squad/form he had to work with and the circumstances off the pitch. Yet Pardew gets no such leeway. It's a results business Pardew knew the circumstances hence why he took the job as a failed manager of a League 1 club. Keegan was lied to. And you cant even begin to compare the state of the team Keegan had to the far superior squad Pardew has. In short, you're wrong. Of course I'm wrong I'm not an anti-Pardew zealot No, only about the comparisons with Keegan. Pardew on other things would be slightly different. I can't stand the defensive second half s*** we always do. But you would have to be blind not to praise the first half, and our second goal was the best we've scored since the two breakaway goals at W.B.A. two seasons ago. We didn't go defensive, see my post way above, we were put on the back foot, it happens in virtually all premiership games every team has a "spell", manager changed it and we were the most dangerous of the two teams again and we won again. I am ingrained as a decades old Newcastle fan to expect us to cock it up from winning/being the better team positions but we're actually getting better at not doing it. The view that the Anita/Shola substitution was a defensive step is nonsense, the game I watched just doesn't back that up, WHU had a couple of chances but apart from the 47th - 60th minute we were in pretty damn good control and continued to be the most threatening. The manager is getting better, as is the team/squad. Change would be for changes sake. You need to have seen some of my previous post to know my view on this. While i bore everyone else i explain it again for you. We do get pushed back, now it's a combination of things. The opposition coming out fired up, using a different system or tactics. And that show major flaws in Pardew's management. If it happened now and again as it does to most teams you wouldn't say much, but it happens to us time and time again. Pardew doesn't know how to deal with it, poor substitiutions that give up more possession and ground are now the norm. The point people make is, it's not the fact it happens, it's the fact it happens time and time again. Also you seem to looking at just the results. This is just my opinion but a manager who constantly talks the club and the team down, constantly talks of losing players. Says 'lets win for Mike'. Tells us it's our fault we lost a game, or the fact not enough turned up are the reason we lost a game, among many of his pathetic excuses. Sorry if i'm not exactly estactic that he's the manager of the club i love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. Has Laudrup regressed Laudrup has a trophy on his CV for starters. Since winning that trophy he has taken 30 points from 32 league games. He may well have a trophy on his CV but if he doesnt improve soon he won't have a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Give him two games a week to contend with again; then I'll determine whether or not he's improved. I bet he hasn't. Has Laudrup regressed I don't understand the need to compare managers when trying to critique one. Pardew couldn't hack having two games a week. It wasn't the travelling, it wasn't tired legs. It was the fact that Pardew and his staff clearly spend more time analysing other teams' strengths, as opposed to integrating a winning style in his own team. He couldn't hack the leg-work of doing that twice a week and we suffered from it. And it was the fact that Pardew drilled it into the squad that we couldn't cope. Even the likes of Krul, who typically was rested for the European games, was going on about how taxing a competition it was. Just nonsense, man. Us not having the Europa League to deal with this season is a huge reason for why we've improved. Yes there are issues with the tournament's structure, but none that are troublesome enough to have forced us to finish 16th. We finished 16th cos Pardew is a pretty shite manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given. Pardew is an embarrassment. Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager. Fergie ever called a fellow manager an "old cunt" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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