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if you know anything abouy psychology or sport psychology  you just cant say that Pardew has nothing to do about it. and motivation isnt just about to tell someone to give it all. its more complex then that.

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Where was I excusing it?

I'm just telling you how it is.

 

If the board aren't arsed about it how can you expect the players and management to be?

 

i'll hold my hands up if i misread this then because it sounds very much to me like you're excusing the players and manager from being arsed because the board are

 

 

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Do you just want something to be angry at? There's a million and one basic work place analogies that could be used in this instance i.e project 1 carries incentive, project 2 you're told not to bother with but I really can't be arsed with you.

 

I feel you're wishing to paint me in a bad light Mojo.

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Do you just want something to be angry at? There's a million and one basic work place analogies that could be used in this instance i.e project 1 carries incentive, project 2 you're told not to bother with but I really can't be arsed with you.

 

I feel you're wishing to paint me in a bad light Mojo.

 

i'm really not, i'm just bemused at how ok you are with pardew being so pliant

 

what grinds my gears as much as anything is he's remembered as a player for one thing as far as i know, scoring in the semi of the FA cup, i wonder if he looks back on that game as time he could have spent shopping with the wife instead, or just having a rest so palace could make sure they finished in a better spot that year?

 

i don't care about ashley or what he says to pardew, i care about how little integrity this man has that he bends so easily and ultimately denies his own players the chance of glory he had himself once upon a time

 

 

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I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued.

 

Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game".

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I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued.

 

Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game".

 

didn't seem to martinez or poyet tbh

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I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued.

 

Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game".

 

didn't seem to martinez or poyet tbh

 

Do you disagree with the wider point though? Or can you just think of a couple of counter examples?

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It pervades a lot of clubs and competitions now, the PL is everything to most clubs. The idea that every club gives a 100% to win every competition is just idealism and no longer corresponds to reality. Sad but true.

 

And still other clubs manage to get to quarter finals, semi finals, finals and even win cups.

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This season's FA Cup was by far the worst betrayal so far in his tenure. He'd got us in a position where safety is virtually assured by January with a huge gap to 10th place and was still too fearful to put the real team out at home to Cardiff.

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It pervades a lot of clubs and competitions now, the PL is everything to most clubs. The idea that every club gives a 100% to win every competition is just idealism and no longer corresponds to reality. Sad but true.

 

And still other clubs manage to get to quarter finals, semi finals, finals and even win cups.

 

Sure, someone has to win the cup. We might win one sometime. I'm sure if we made some decent progress in the FA Cup we would start playing stronger sides.

 

That doesn't mean the point I made isn't correct.

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It pervades a lot of clubs and competitions now, the PL is everything to most clubs. The idea that every club gives a 100% to win every competition is just idealism and no longer corresponds to reality. Sad but true.

 

And still other clubs manage to get to quarter finals, semi finals, finals and even win cups.

 

Sure, someone has to win the cup. We might win one sometime. I'm sure if we made some decent progress in the FA Cup we would start playing stronger sides.

 

That doesn't mean the point I made isn't correct.

 

We wouldn't have even had to have given 100% to get further in the cups the last few seasons, nowhere near.

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I don't really believe any manager, including Pardew of course, is 'OK' with going out of the cups early. They're just forced to operate in this modern football environment where everything is focussed on the PL and everything else has become progressively devalued.

 

Pardew might want to win a cup as bad as anything, but when it comes down to matchday he will still think "I can beat so-and-so team even if I save a few of the big lads for the next league game".

 

didn't seem to martinez or poyet tbh

 

Do you disagree with the wider point though? Or can you just think of a couple of counter examples?

 

i agree with the wider point about the value of the PL yes, however i'm struggling to think of examples of teams in our position this season with no threat of relegation and good team who just don't give a fuck...perhaps you can help me out with that?

 

it's easier to think of examples of teams threatened with relegation who try their hearts out to win cup games tbh

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Ideally, Sunderland reaching a final should put more pressure on the club to do better but I don't suppose they will care.

 

If Sunderland do get relegated then they have the excuse they need as to why cups are a bad idea.  Pardew must be loving Swansea struggling this year as he will see that as vindication of all his excuses last year.

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Pardew must be loving Swansea struggling this year as he will see that as vindication of all his excuses last year.

 

Could mean the point has some truth to it as well.

 

They're actually struggling because of injuries. They're not Europe's #1 long ball team and playing Shola at RW and starting Jonas every game.

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Pardew must be loving Swansea struggling this year as he will see that as vindication of all his excuses last year.

 

Could mean the point has some truth to it as well.

 

They're actually struggling because of injuries. They're not Europe's #1 long ball team and playing Shola at RW and starting Jonas every game.

 

aye, was gonna say the same :lol:

 

still, be very interesting to see some analysis of the EL vs. league position and such (in more countries than just the PL) - i suppose by definition the teams in it are likely to have smaller squads and less quality than their CL counterparts for the most part

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Pardew must be loving Swansea struggling this year as he will see that as vindication of all his excuses last year.

 

Could mean the point has some truth to it as well.

 

They're actually struggling because of injuries. They're not Europe's #1 long ball team and playing Shola at RW and starting Jonas every game.

 

I was about to say that. Of course you will get more tired, but seeing as we had no progress in domestic cups at all. We had just the League and Europa to play. And as you pointed out the Europa League is no excuse for Hoofball, pathetic tactics against teams like Reading. Bizarre team selections. It's been done to death on here tbh but if anyone really does think the reason all that happened was because of fatigue. They're off the fucking rockers.

 

Also where were Swansea expected to finish, i think around 12th with the squad they have, and i bet that's exactly where they end up.

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