arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 How are you motivated to do your job? I'm not, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 How are you motivated to do your job? I'm not, personally. Do you have kids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... i thought this was lifted right out of the pardew excuses thread tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 How are you motivated to do your job? I'm not, personally. Do you have kids? where's this going? i've hated my job for the last 1.5 years, absolutely hated it, but it pays well and kids are fucking expensive not sure how that helps pardew not being able to get a team to bother their arse in cup games tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wonder how Pochetino does in the motivation department Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies Dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies Dear me. Dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies No. We both know neither of us has said anything like that or pointed to either extreme. If the players occasionally had put in somewhat ineffectual displays, especially against 'lesser sides' we could probably point to their complacency. As it's been a feature since Pardew took over, no matter who the players have been, the weight of probability points to a leader who isn't very motivational. And that's important. SAF wasn't (apparently) the greatest tactician, he chose good coaches for that, but he definitely knew how to get his players incredibily hungry for victory and to remain focused on winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Gracefully step out at this point. Obviously in the minority here thinking players are as much to blame for our cup exit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 How are you motivated to do your job? I'm not, personally. Do you have kids? where's this going? i've hated my job for the last 1.5 years, absolutely hated it, but it pays well and kids are f***ing expensive not sure how that helps pardew not being able to get a team to bother their arse in cup games tbh it had nothing to do with football. Was just wondering if Polic had bairns as that's probs on of the few things that motivates me at work. Keeping them fed, clothed and sheltered! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Gracefully step out at this point. Obviously in the minority here thinking players are as much to blame for our cup exit. Every year? The way we do? Like a damp squib? With different players each time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies No. We both know neither of us has said anything like that or pointed to either extreme. If the players occasionally had put in somewhat ineffectual displays, especially against 'lesser sides' we could probably point to their complacency. As it's been a feature since Pardew took over, no matter who the players have been, the weight of probability points to a leader who isn't very motivational. And that's important. SAF wasn't (apparently) the greatest tactician, he chose good coaches for that, but he definitely knew how to get his players incredibily hungry for victory and to remain focused on winning. I understand where you are coming from, but I think what you are saying is that Pardew has a VERY NEGATIVE effect on motivation/morale in cup games, because the players baseline level for a cup game should be highly motivated, given their role, their salary, their bonuses and thousands of fans singing their names.......................... RIGHT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I take your point, but there are always 11 players on a pitch. 11 professionals. 11 Men. If they need a puppet master to motivate them to do their jobs well, well then.......... Good point! That's why people who are good at motivating others ar held in such disregard. There's just no need! How are you motivated to do your job? Im not saying a good half time team talk doesnt have an effect. What im saying is, so does your MASSIVE salary, your MASSIVE bonuses, a big crowd, and most importantly, you should be motivated as a professional. Said more simply. There are 12 people to blame for our exit. Not 1. Sport psychology not a strong point for you then? Ok, you're right. The players have nothing to do with it. Football is just like playing Fifa, with 1 man solely responsible for success. Apologies No. We both know neither of us has said anything like that or pointed to either extreme. If the players occasionally had put in somewhat ineffectual displays, especially against 'lesser sides' we could probably point to their complacency. As it's been a feature since Pardew took over, no matter who the players have been, the weight of probability points to a leader who isn't very motivational. And that's important. SAF wasn't (apparently) the greatest tactician, he chose good coaches for that, but he definitely knew how to get his players incredibily hungry for victory and to remain focused on winning. I understand where you are coming from, but I think what you are saying is that Pardew has a VERY NEGATIVE effect on motivation/morale in cup games, because the players baseline level for a cup game should be highly motivated, given their role, their salary, their bonuses and thousands of fans singing their names.......................... RIGHT? I wish the salaries were more of a motivator but i think, in effect, it does the opposite. They earn so much that glory isn't really important anymore. You can finish your career so rich that you don't care how you're remembered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Gracefully step out at this point. Obviously in the minority here thinking players are as much to blame for our cup exit. Every year? The way we do? Like a damp squib? With different players each time? No matter who the players are, the message from the top is the same. Not a priority. It's had very predictable results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We weren't that awesome in the cups before Pardew TBF. His tenure really isn't long enough to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. That said, I do agree we should be focusing on winning a cup much more than we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We weren't that awesome in the cups before Pardew TBF. His tenure really isn't long enough to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. That said, I do agree we should be focusing on winning a cup much more than we are. It's telling that it has been against lower league opposition all too often under Pardew. That second Brighton game, I just knew we were onto a loser with that team. Theres no excuse for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We weren't that awesome in the cups before Pardew TBF. His tenure really isn't long enough to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. I was gonna laugh at this but it's not even worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We weren't that awesome in the cups before Pardew TBF. His tenure really isn't long enough to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. I was gonna laugh at this but it's not even worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Cheers then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We weren't that awesome in the cups before Pardew TBF. His tenure really isn't long enough to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. I was gonna laugh at this but it's not even worth it. We haven't played enough cup ties in his tenure to provide any kind of sample for decent analysis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm not denying we've been rubbish in the cups, obviously we have. But that's been the case for most of my life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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