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Swansea are top of this years injury table and have the exact amount of points/games played we did at this stage last year.

 

To say injuries didn't affect us is completely retarded.

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Why are we always one of the worst, until this season (or so it seems). Driven me mad over the years the injuries we seem to get.

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Swansea are top of this years injury table and have the exact amount of points/games played we did at this stage last year.

 

To say injuries didn't affect us is completely retarded.

 

Do injuries mean you have to blooter the ball forward like we did for a fair chunk of last season ?

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No but I never said they did.

 

Is that not the implication, we were shit because of injuries. Injuries were a factor in us falling away from 5th, and indeed playing in the Europa would have had an effect.

 

But the main reason we finished 16th was the awful football Pardew had us playing. Cant be said this season as we are playing much better stuff, 2nd half nonsense on too many occasions aside.

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That table seems to suggest we had the fourth worst injuries in 2011/12 too. The season we finished 5th.

 

So if you add an extra 14 games, travel away & less preparation into the equation...

 

Here's that table by the way,

 

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

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Of course injuries affected us at times, but no matter who we put out, our football was fucking dreadful, mostly because of Pardew. Even after signing five players in January, it looked the same all along. Some of it was evident during parts of 11/12 as well.

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That table seems to suggest we had the fourth worst injuries in 2011/12 too. The season we finished 5th.

 

So if you add an extra 14 games, travel away & less preparation into the equation...

 

Here's that table by the way,

 

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/league.jpg

 

Again you imply we struggled because of the extra Europa games....

 

Please explain why that would mean playing awful football ?

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

It never did for a positive manager like Sir Bobby.

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No but I never said they did.

 

Is that not the implication, we were s*** because of injuries. Injuries were a factor in us falling away from 5th, and indeed playing in the Europa would have had an effect.

 

But the main reason we finished 16th was the awful football Pardew had us playing. Cant be said this season as we are playing much better stuff, 2nd half nonsense on too many occasions aside.

 

So Swansea play nicer football but they are in literally the exact same position we were in?

 

I'm not saying we were shit because of injuries alone but it would be churlish to deny our squad fitness was an issue just as it would be to deny there were a myriad of factors involved in our struggle - the managers ability obviously one of them.

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

It never did for a positive manager like Sir Bobby.

 

Aye. Didn't loose a single game after returning from Europe in all of 2002/03.

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

And home game where you dont travel at all, and when you change 9 starting line up players.

 

So Pardew and his staff couldn't prepare for two games in a week, something virtually every team in the leagues below us do year in year out.

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

It never did for a positive manager like Sir Bobby.

 

Aye. Didn't loose a single game after returning from Europe in all of 2002/03.

 

That's because Robson was a class act and Pardew isn't.

 

It does, however, remain a valid point and one that many managers who aren't Pardew have suffered with.

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

And home game where you dont travel at all, and when you change 9 starting line up players.

 

So Pardew and his staff couldn't prepare for two games in a week, something virtually every team in the leagues below us do year in year out.

 

I am guessing that the same sort of analysis isn't put in by teams in the leagues below.  I am not sure that is relevant point.  The point is that there are plenty of teams in the PL who don't have to play the extra games and those that do might have the squads and backroom staff to cope with the demands.

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That's because Robson was a class act and Pardew isn't.

 

It does, however, remain a valid point and one that many managers who aren't Pardew have suffered with.

 

This is all I've ever claimed. Absolutely Pardew is average and Bobby was a class apart. But it just seems self-evident to me that playing in Europe is harder than not playing in it.

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No but I never said they did.

 

Is that not the implication, we were s*** because of injuries. Injuries were a factor in us falling away from 5th, and indeed playing in the Europa would have had an effect.

 

But the main reason we finished 16th was the awful football Pardew had us playing. Cant be said this season as we are playing much better stuff, 2nd half nonsense on too many occasions aside.

 

So Swansea play nicer football but they are in literally the exact same position we were in?

 

I'm not saying we were shit because of injuries alone but it would be churlish to deny our squad fitness was an issue just as it would be to deny there were a myriad of factors involved in our struggle - the managers ability obviously one of them.

 

I'm not denying it was a factor, injuries, Europa but mainly it was his inability to deal with it, and the poor football and team selections were the major cause imo.

 

Also as many have commented, our worse form was when the Europa League was on a break. And seeing as we'd been knocked out of both cups all he had was one game to focus on each week. We were terrible and lost game after game.

 

Personally if we make it into the Europa again i think he'll handle it much better. But to try to use it as the main reason for finishing 16th shows how pathetic he can be at times.

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I thought the biggest point about the Europa League is the preparation time it takes away.  Instead of training all week for a Premier League match, you have to prepare for a Europa League match.  So you fly on a Wednesday, play on a Thursday, fly back after the game or on a Friday, and play a PL game on a Sunday. 

 

Your 5 day match preparation for a PL match is reduced to perhaps 2 days.  That surely makes a difference.

 

And home game where you dont travel at all, and when you change 9 starting line up players.

 

So Pardew and his staff couldn't prepare for two games in a week, something virtually every team in the leagues below us do year in year out.

 

I am guessing that the same sort of analysis isn't put in by teams in the leagues below.  I am not sure that is relevant point.  The point is that there are plenty of teams in the PL who don't have to play the extra games and those that do might have the squads and backroom staff to cope with the demands.

 

That's a valid point, we have a very small backroom staff for a Premiership club of our size. Mind you we're always being told we're not a big club by Pardew so i suppose that's why that is.

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we're always being told we're not a big club by Pardew so i suppose that's why that is.

 

A kitten dies every time someone makes a post like this.

 

Has he said we cant complete with Southampton ? Or Swansea ?

 

If so, what do you think he means by that. Actually dont bother. Pardew arselicking crumpet.

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we're always being told we're not a big club by Pardew so i suppose that's why that is.

 

A kitten dies every time someone makes a post like this.

 

Has he said we cant complete with Southampton ? Or Swansea ?

 

If so, what do you think he means by that. Actually dont bother. Pardew arselicking crumpet.

 

:lol:

 

Soz bimpy, you know I like you.

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we're always being told we're not a big club by Pardew so i suppose that's why that is.

 

A kitten dies every time someone makes a post like this.

 

Has he said we cant complete with Southampton ? Or Swansea ?

 

If so, what do you think he means by that. Actually dont bother. Pardew arselicking crumpet.

 

:lol:

 

Soz bimpy, you know I like you.

 

:lol: It's why i like you Ian, you take a joke, you give a joke. Proper bloke like.

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