BONTEMPI Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Serious question - if Pardew got sacked would you be happy if we "promoted from within" like Swansea and gave the job to this man... http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article1353549.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/shola-ameobi-at-the-controls-of-the-digger-at-monkchester-recreation-ground-below-children-from-st-vincent-s-school-and-monkchester-nursery--1353549.jpg If I'm completely honest I the only managerial appointment that would make me happier would be Ketsbaia. What I want to know is which lumbering equipment is operating the other one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Here until 2020... That hurts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Serious question - if Pardew got sacked would you be happy if we "promoted from within" like Swansea and gave the job to this man... http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article1353549.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/shola-ameobi-at-the-controls-of-the-digger-at-monkchester-recreation-ground-below-children-from-st-vincent-s-school-and-monkchester-nursery--1353549.jpg If I'm completely honest I the only managerial appointment that would make me happier would be Ketsbaia. What I want to know is which lumbering equipment is operating the other one? Genuine giggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Fenham's avatar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we were to give the manager's job to any player it would surely be Ryan Taylor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we were to give the manager's job to any player it would surely be Ryan Taylor? Shola is quite a big influence on the players isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If we were to give the manager's job to any player it would surely be Ryan Taylor? Shola is quite a big influence on the players isn't he? That's why they are playing so shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/ More evidence for the fact that we are roughly the 8th strongest team in the division. Not that we really need more evidence because it really is embarrassingly obvious. What a divvy, we might as well not bother playing football, we should just look at everything at the beginning of the season and award league places at that time based on how much teams pay in wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Serious question - if Pardew got sacked would you be happy if we "promoted from within" like Swansea and gave the job to this man... http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article1353549.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/shola-ameobi-at-the-controls-of-the-digger-at-monkchester-recreation-ground-below-children-from-st-vincent-s-school-and-monkchester-nursery--1353549.jpg If I'm completely honest I the only managerial appointment that would make me happier would be Ketsbaia. You've got to be taking the piss, if only for your own credibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/ More evidence for the fact that we are roughly the 8th strongest team in the division. Not that we really need more evidence because it really is embarrassingly obvious. What a divvy, we might as well not bother playing football, we should just look at everything at the beginning of the season and award league places at that time based on how much teams pay in wages. That's pretty much how it always turns out, yep. In every league ever. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make and I don't think you are either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 That's pretty much how it always turns out, yep. In every league ever. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make and I don't think you are either. Last season Everton finished 6th, the season before we were 5th, 2 seasons before that Villa were 6th and we were playing in the Championship. Virtually every season teams do better and worse than expected and better or worse than wages would suggest they'd finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 You've confused specific examples with a statistical trend there. Yes there is deviation but the pattern is that the teams finish pretty much in order of financial strength / wage bill. Christ, this is basic stuff. You think I was saying that all leagues finish exactly in order of their wage bill every year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/ More evidence for the fact that we are roughly the 8th strongest team in the division. Not that we really need more evidence because it really is embarrassingly obvious. What a divvy, we might as well not bother playing football, we should just look at everything at the beginning of the season and award league places at that time based on how much teams pay in wages. That's pretty much how it always turns out, yep. In every league ever. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make and I don't think you are either. What a load of shit. Every league, don't talk about things you clearly have no idea about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 OK then: every professional football league for which stats have been collected. That better? If there's an exception out there, it's yet to make waves in the statto community and it bloody well would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/ More evidence for the fact that we are roughly the 8th strongest team in the division. Not that we really need more evidence because it really is embarrassingly obvious. What a divvy, we might as well not bother playing football, we should just look at everything at the beginning of the season and award league places at that time based on how much teams pay in wages. That's pretty much how it always turns out, yep. In every league ever. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make and I don't think you are either. This equals a statistical trend does it? Pointless thing to talk about. Stevie Wonder could see what Mick's point was. Yes, it's a trend. There is a VERY strong known correlation between wage bill and league position. Really strong - far beyond question. If you want to take it back to a more practical, short term level though: do you think Newcastle should be expected to finish above any of Arsenal, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool? That was the original point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Don't know why anyone wastes a single second of their existence arguing with this utter clip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 OK then: every professional football league for which stats have been collected. That better? If there's an exception out there, it's yet to make waves in the statto community and it bloody well would. Don't know why anyone wastes a single second of their existence arguing with this utter clip. Just realized that. Hadn't read all the previous posts so had to go through them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 "They tend to" "That's pretty much..." These are ways of saying "there's a correlation", no? "Generally, that's how it pans out". Don't know how much clearer I could've been. And yes, I'd love it if we played nice football, even if I think it'd have roughly zero effect on our league position. It'd be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 OK then: every professional football league for which stats have been collected. That better? If there's an exception out there, it's yet to make waves in the statto community and it bloody well would. What? You think there are professional leagues out there in which the more expensively assembled teams don't do better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 As for that load of shit you spouted about wages tollemache. Brazilian league. Corinthians and Internacional had highest salaries in the league and finished 10th and 13th. Cruzeiro who won the league had 10th highest salary and Atletico PR who finished 3rd the second lowest salaries in the league. Goias finished 6th had the lowest. So bring that back to that statistical community you're part of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 You've confused specific examples with a statistical trend there. Yes there is deviation but the pattern is that the teams finish pretty much in order of financial strength / wage bill. Christ, this is basic stuff. You think I was saying that all leagues finish exactly in order of their wage bill every year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 As for that load of s*** you spouted about wages tollemache. Brazilian league. Corinthians and Internacional had highest salaries in the league and finished 10th and 13th. Cruzeiro who won the league had 10th highest salary and Atletico PR who finished 3rd the second lowest salaries in the league. Goias finished 6th had the lowest. So bring that back to that statistical community you're part of. Sorry stats were wrong. Atletico 4th lowest. Cruzeiro 6th highest. Point still stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 You've confused specific examples with a statistical trend there. Yes there is deviation but the pattern is that the teams finish pretty much in order of financial strength / wage bill. Christ, this is basic stuff. You think I was saying that all leagues finish exactly in order of their wage bill every year? Well you've worded differently than from the beginning. It's quite clear that richer clubs tend to have a larger chance of winning since they can buy from lower clubs, but in countries where I come from (Brazil and Sweden) that's not always the case with it being a selling-to-foreign-country-league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 You have no point though. Your point is that because deviations and exceptions exist, there is no trend. So the only way you could be satisfied would be if every league finished EXACTLY in order of wage bill, which obviously does not happen because clubs have injury crises, overperform here and underperform there. Plot the average league positions of clubs over 10 years next to their respective wage bills however, and you will see two incredibly similar graphs. Very generally speaking, your wage bill determines your expected finish in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Half Brazil, Half Sweden.....................you must be gorgeous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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