Manchester United

[Geogaddi]

15 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 

I don't think the squad needs as much as people think either, and it's very young. Would hope we can get rid of Shaw, Rashford, Antony, Casemiro and Eriksen in the next 6-7 months to free up some pocket money and invest in players suited to Amorim's system, starting with a LWB.

It depends on where you want to be , you will obviously comfortably overtake the likes of us again with all the resources you have and wage budget etc that we will never be able to compete with, you are a million miles away from say challenging for the title though which is ultimately what you should be judged against .

[Froggy]

Ugarte is class. Pick on someone else.

 

Can we go back to Rashford or Antony?

[bobbydazzla]

32 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 

Fairly decent stats for a CDM right?  @bobbydazzla some stats for you.

[David Edgar]

41 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 

Fairly decent stats for a CDM right?  @bobbydazzla some stats for you.

 

 

Congratulations, you have a player who can win the ball but has no fucking clue how to use it.

[Dokko]

31 minutes ago, Froggy said:

It would appear opposition fans have a very different view of Amorim that we have. He's the perfect character for the job. Whether he has the talent or not remains to be seen, but he hasn't uttered a single word out of place so far despite the immense scrutiny that comes with the role.

 

I don't think the squad needs as much as people think either, and it's very young. Would hope we can get rid of Shaw, Rashford, Antony, Casemiro and Eriksen in the next 6-7 months to free up some pocket money and invest in players suited to Amorim's system, starting with a LWB.

 

Aye. Everyone is wrong. All wrong about ole and ten bag as well. 

 

More inspiring stuff from SAF reborn...

[Dokko]

Fergie respins that and has the world against the club. Not a pity me party.

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

 

Congratulations, you have a player who can win the ball but has no fucking clue how to use it.

 

Win the ball, give it to Bruno. Does what he's told.

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Aye. Everyone is wrong. All wrong about ole and ten bag as well. 

 

More inspiring stuff from SAF reborn...

 

Didn't read the article did you Dokko.  You should know better than to mindlessly screenshot sensationlist headlines from the British press.

[Ronson333]

Maybe the fans with Rio could all chip in to buy some new players?

[David Edgar]

29 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Win the ball, give it to Bruno. Does what he's told.

 

Noticed against Bournemouth that he was frankly terrible with his passing. He would dally and then try something he hasn't got the ability to achieve. He was trying to play well out of his comfort zone.

 

I'm pretty sure we targetted him for the press when he was at PSG. He's just really limited with the ball, a passenger in possession. Which I guess a midtable team can carry, but if you are genuinely ambitious, you aren't looking at him. 

 

Still, laud his tackle output. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by David Edgar

[Sibierski]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

I am a good jinx.

 

There's no way this year you finish 5th and then we win the Europa League. No way that happens.

Both end up in UCL so I'll take that.

[Sibierski]

I can say with confidence, if Ugarte is a mainstay CM for Man Utd under Amorim, they're fucked and won't be closing on top 4. He's not the CM to play in a middle 2, even more so with 3 CBs. Need someone who can actually progress the ball and more break the lines with the ball, not just do a limited aspect of one part of the game. There's not a CM in Man Utd collection that can do that.

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

18 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Canteen dinner ladies sacked at Carrington tomorrow. All nutrition going forward to be provided by Ineos vending machines.

 

Sir Jim just found a new way to make a bit more ££, sack the dinner ladies and charge the players to buy from the vending machines

[Cronky]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Why? He doesn't shy away from performances. He's honest and says we play well when we play well, and when we're shit he's say we're shit. It was one of the things I hated most about Ten Hag. We would win a game 1-0 from a moment of brilliance, but concede 20+ shots and be completely outplayed for 85 minutes and he'd say we deserved to win and that we'd be in a title race of Garnacho wasn't offside in a game that was 4 months ago.

 

 

Would you want him to publicly throw players under the bus? Especially if we're looking to sell a high PSR asset such as Rashford. I feel like publicly attacking him would be bad for everyone involved, and would come under more criticism from everybody else.

 

 

Garnacho was heavily rumoured to be leaking lineups. He was also liking posts on social media critcising his own teammates, which is completely unacceptable. 

 

Despite this, he's obviously put his head down and he's went straight back into the squad. 

Firstly, I appreciate your willingness to come on here and face the enemy.

 

 I don’t think you’ve addressed my point about Amorim’s attitude on the touchline. Honesty is one thing, showing despair is another.

 

Thank you for the info on Garnacho, but it does reinforce my point. What the player did was clearly a disciplinary issue so why did Amorim try to assert that it wasn’t? If you can’t be honest, then it’s better to say nothing rather than end up lying. What’s worse, he hinted about the truth in his public statement. It feels inept to me. 
 

On Rashford, you have my sympathy. He is a good player but not a great one, yet somehow he’s ended up with a great player’s contract and is not delivering. That’s a problem without a solution because getting rid of him won’t be easy. I don’t think he’ll want to go to Saudi. 
 

A final point - with Garnacho and Diallo you could have a deadly wing combination for many years. However, I think that would only work in a 4-4-2 because I can’t see that you could play both as wing backs. A manager who is wedded to only one formation may not be what you need.

 

 

Edited 26 minutes ago by Cronky

[Big River]

gonna be class when they spend another billion on players to fit their new philosophy, then sack him as soon as Jim wakes up on the wrong side of the bed

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Big River said:

gonna be class when they spend another billion on players to fit their new philosophy, then sack him as soon as Jim wakes up on the wrong side of the bed

It's ok, they will claim more PSR exemptions which nobody else has and be granted them. 

[KennyUtd]

Look lads, when all is said and done it's just fkn hilarious watching Man U implode.  Just beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye. Happy Christmas to you all and let's hope for another year of a Manchester shitshow.

[KaKa]

3 hours ago, jack j said:

When you listen to the likes of neville and keane they reckon a full overhaul is needed especially with Amorims 3-4-3 system. Probably count on one hand the amount of players they'd keep

 

Surely with psr rules they won't be able to spend another billion for a long time?

 

 

 

 

Ragnick told them this ages ago and they treated him as though he was an idiot.

 

Amorim comes across well, but the majority of their players are dullards and can't play his football. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out, it looks like they will need a lot of new players to play Almiron's football.

 

No idea how they will manage such an overhaul.

 

[Froggy]

38 minutes ago, Cronky said:

Firstly, I appreciate your willingness to come on here and face the enemy.

 

 I don’t think you’ve addressed my point about Amorim’s attitude on the touchline. Honesty is one thing, showing despair is another.

 

Thank you for the info on Garnacho, but it does reinforce my point. What the player did was clearly a disciplinary issue so why did Amorim try to assert that it wasn’t? If you can’t be honest, then it’s better to say nothing rather than end up lying. What’s worse, he hinted about the truth in his public statement. It feels inept to me. 
 

On Rashford, you have my sympathy. He is a good player but not a great one, but somehow he’s ended up with a great player’s contract and is not delivering. That’s a problem without a solution because getting rid of him won’t be easy. I don’t think he’ll want to go to Saudi. 
 

A final point - with Garnacho and Diallo you could have a deadly wing combination for many years. However, I think that would only work in a 4-4-2 because I can’t see that you could play both as wing backs. A manager who is wedded to only one formation may not be what you need.

 

All fair points. Some I disagree with, some I don't.  Amad can play wing back with no issues, I don't think Garnacho has the discipline for it though. 

[Froggy]

17 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

Look lads, when all is said and done it's just fkn hilarious watching Man U implode.  Just beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye. Happy Christmas to you all and let's hope for another year of a Manchester shitshow.

 

Look Kenny, when all is said and done, our banter era has brought us two league cups, two FA Cups and a Europa League. That would be your golden era. Merry Christmas.

 

[Theregulars]

The reality is that Howe’s start was just as dismal. It would be great if they continue to struggle but I’d be careful about gloating and piling in, especially when we play them twice more at least.

[Sibierski]

How many sides over the past decade have played 3 at the back in the Prem and done well?

 

Conte is only one in 16-17 I can think of, but he was inheriting a side that had just won the league 12 months earlier and even that came with a one season high only. So playing likes of Moses at RWB was caveated with multiple title winners, elite players in their positions such as Hazard / Kante.

 

Feels Premier League is such in depth with sides that have good wide players, good level of coaches, midfielder runners, that a 3-4-3 is going to be exploited more often than not Amorim has ever experienced. Bar is that low for Man Utd, their fans are already happy to write off a season so can just keep talking smoothly to avoid early criticism.

[Froggy]

14 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Bar is that low for Man Utd, their fans are already happy to write off a season

 

Wouldn't say that like.

 

 

[KennyUtd]

23 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Look Kenny, when all is said and done, our banter era has brought us two league cups, two FA Cups and a Europa League. That would be your golden era. Merry Christmas.

 

I can't argue with any of that bud. Still can't kill the joy though. 😆

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

I can't argue with any of that bud. Still can't kill the joy though. 😆

 

I would wait until a bit more than 4 points ahead of us before getting overly joyous.

 

Next Tuesday should do it.