mozy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I hate this odious prick but he deserves a lot of credit tonight for the first time in many months. What for exactly? He tried to hoy the game like, let's not kid ourselves that this was some clever plan, fair play to the kids who weren't f***ing having any of it. This is spot on. If he actually gave a shit about the cup/winning a trophy then he would have played the first team. The fact that Aarons, Sammy and Obertan might be better than the Gouffran's of this world hasn't dawned on him yet, so the slimy chode gets to look clever in front of David Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I hate this odious prick but he deserves a lot of credit tonight for the first time in many months. What for exactly? He tried to hoy the game like, let's not kid ourselves that this was some clever plan, fair play to the kids who weren't fucking having any of it. It's pathetic like. He picked a team to lose and to the credit of the young lads they thought "fuck you Pards, we'll take this chance to prove you wrong". And by god they fucking did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He has changed his tactics and personnel and it's worked, if he drops Gouffran on Saturday he'll get a good from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Playing devils advocate but that in its self is motivational. Reverse psychology and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 This has been my worst three games as a Newcastle fan ever. I have took no joy whatsoever in any of the three wins because I hate the manager so much. With how shit we've been i just cant believe we have won three on the bounce. I really can't. If we keep winning i don't know what the fuck I am going to do. My mates think I'm crazy for still slagging Pardew off when we are winning. Its a weird as fuck situation to be in. I feel like shit. Arrggghh what a shitter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Playing devils advocate but that in its self is motivational. Reverse psychology and all that. That's not playing Devil's advocate it's called "Pardew give us a wave..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 [quote author=heza09 link=topic=95667.msg52784 69#msg5278469 date=1414625220] I am not pro-Pardew at all but f*** me people need to get a life like when it comes down to this out-and-out hatred of the bloke. He set out a team and had them motivated tonight to beat a pretty good strength Shiteh side. He deserves some credit for that surely?! We support Newcastle primarily, hating Pardew is a bi-product. The sooner people realize that the better. Hats off to a quality result. Is it? Why? I hate him for degrading this club to the level it is now. One result in the cup doesn't change that, I'd be a weak minded person if that was the case. It's up anyone how they want to support the club. You hate Ashley right? so do you credit him for the players he's got us, that helped win that game? or no? I hate Ashley and Pardew, they have both degraded the club and more-so it's fans. Why do you want rid of Pardew? Why do I want rid of Ashley? FOR NEWCASTLE UNITED. Therefore, my statement stands. It's not to say you're week minded, it's to say you see a stand alone result or game for what it is. I haven't once said he is an amazing manager or he is the man to take us forward. I said he got it right. That is simply not being deluded and looking through anti-Pardew tinted glasses. Ashley's money and staff got us those players. They are half-decent too. I cannot dispute that. I can seemingly dispute the money he takes out the club though and how much better off we might be if he put a bit more back into it. He has defaced the clib of it's integrity by employing someone like Pardew and plastering his shit all over our ground. Pardew is a cunt yes...but even cunts have a function sometimes and this cunt has functioned tonight, simple as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Playing devils advocate but that in its self is motivational. Reverse psychology and all that. We already know the agenda, pardew doesn't want to win cup games because there's no tv money, it tired out the squad, might end up in Europe, raise expectations and all that other garbage that's been inflicted upon us over recent times. Once again, the man has been bailed out by an excellent performance from the youngsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Playing devils advocate but that in its self is motivational. Reverse psychology and all that. That's not playing Devil's advocate it's called "Pardew give us a wave..." I wouldn't lower myself to that...cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 [quote author=heza09 link=topic=95667.msg52784 69#msg5278469 date=1414625220] I am not pro-Pardew at all but f*** me people need to get a life like when it comes down to this out-and-out hatred of the bloke. He set out a team and had them motivated tonight to beat a pretty good strength Shiteh side. He deserves some credit for that surely?! We support Newcastle primarily, hating Pardew is a bi-product. The sooner people realize that the better. Hats off to a quality result. Is it? Why? I hate him for degrading this club to the level it is now. One result in the cup doesn't change that, I'd be a weak minded person if that was the case. It's up anyone how they want to support the club. You hate Ashley right? so do you credit him for the players he's got us, that helped win that game? or no? I hate Ashley and Pardew, they have both degraded the club and more-so it's fans. Why do you want rid of Pardew? Why do I want rid of Ashley? FOR NEWCASTLE UNITED. Therefore, my statement stands. It's not to say you're week minded, it's to say you see a stand alone result or game for what it is. I haven't once said he is an amazing manager or he is the man to take us forward. I said he got it right. That is simply not being deluded and looking through anti-Pardew tinted glasses. Ashley's money and staff got us those players. They are half-decent too. I cannot dispute that. I can seemingly dispute the money he takes out the club though and how much better off we might be if he put a bit more back into it. He has defaced the clib of it's integrity by employing someone like Pardew and plastering his s*** all over our ground. Pardew is a c*** yes...but even c***s have a function sometimes and this c*** has functioned tonight, simple as. "He got it right" - Are you joking? He tried to throw the fucking game with his team selection. As someone pointed out the young players stood up and put a magnificent amount of effort in to win the game. There is no way on earth Pardew "got it right", tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Just seen koemans interview of course I want to win this cup that's why I havnt rested anyone,plus there's a European place through the cup! Pardew - we got done by the fixtures we play 2 hrs before everyone that's why I've rested a few We played well tonight,he's still a cunt and want him removed asap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 No side he picked tonight would have theoretically got him a win. So that point is irrelevant. It's completely contradictory to say he had no part in this tonight with regards to motivation or tactics and by the same token blame him for the same when we get beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The nerve of this agent crawling out of the sewer now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'd think you'd have to be deluded to not have looked at that starting line up at 7:45pm and thought, yeah he's throwing the young ones under the bus. If anyone deserves credit it's the players for hoying that bus out the way. They took the chance that they were given and they made it count, good on them, mores the pity they won't see another match until the QFs though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Tonight had nothing to do with Pardew's ability, because he has none. Suggesting otherwise is nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Most of those guys are players he refuses to give a game too. The man is an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If the club does truly come first then Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley should be a million miles away from it and no amount of one-off wins should mask that. We're sat here gob smacked because we just beat a team West Ham beat a few days ago. Why accept that? These wins aren't "for the sake of the club", they're to the complete detriment of it. Ultimately, all the Ashley hate is simply a platitude. Everyone says it but the vast majority don't really mean it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I don't think the team selection for this game specifically should be used as a stick to beat him with, but similarly let's not go claiming he's discovered some revolutionary method at motivating fringe players. He shuffled the deck for the cup game as most managers of his calibre do. By that I mean mediocre long ball specialists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Someone has just commented this on my FB status re:Pardew He's proven over his career that he's incompetent? So that means he can't be a good manager? Ever? Give over. The football we played when we got in Europe... Got us in Europe. Over 38 games, it's not a fluke! He obviously has some tactical nous about him. Regardless if you win by 6 goals or 1, you still win. No style? I think he does have a style of football. He tends to work hard on defence, playing from the back. 1 striker up top, attacking players around him to provide support. Yes he hasn't got it perfect, but it got us to Europe. It got us in the top 10 and it's getting us results when the whole world is against him. Not bad for someone who hasn't got a clue Now... You say my comment is the most pathetic? Yet you have just said the Newcastle Job is the easiest in the world? Says no manager ever! Ask all that have fallen before him? Easiest job my arse. It's never his fault? So thousands of people creating banners for Pardew out. And protests for Pardew to be sacked, and you say it's never his fault? The problem with you and the majority of our fans is that you think we are a big club. A big club that should be fighting for titles and trophies. Yeah we might break into Europe (which Pardew has done) yeah we might have a decent cup run, which he is also doing, but we will never win titles. Or trophies. And we don't deserve too. And the quicker fans realise that, the better. We sack Pardew and who do we get? Realistically? Moyes? Who worked under similar conditions at Everton and probably wouldn't want to return to that. The fact is, yeah he's not the best manager in the world, never said he was. But for the time being, he's the best he and probably anyone else, could do. Until we get taken over by a middle eastern billionaire who's prepared to splash millions, we will never compete. Never have a high profile manager and never win honours. You talk about Ben Arfa... He came out and said Pardew is a great manager, and he's the right person for Newcastle? So how do you explain that? Someone who has apparently been drove out the club, then comes out and says the manager is great? Cabaye also saying he's one of the best managers he's worked with? It's typical that you give him no praise for the last few results, but he deserves it. The tactics, the decisions and his determination is what the club needs. I'm just so I haven't got it in me to reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 No side he picked tonight would have theoretically got him a win. So that point is irrelevant. It's completely contradictory to say he had no part in this tonight with regards to motivation or tactics and by the same token blame him for the same when we get beat. No, but you tend to pick your strongest team to win a game like. Agreed. Nonetheless, he had them motivated, one way or the other. Whether we think that is through his doing is subjective. However, it's the same subjectivity we judge him by when we are doing shit. So all I am saying, is we need a bit balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 If the club does truly come first then Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley should be a million miles away from it and no amount of one-off wins should mask that. We're sat here gob smacked because we just beat a team West Ham beat a few days ago. Why accept that? These wins aren't "for the sake of the club", they're to the complete detriment of it. Ultimately, all the Ashley hate is simply a platitude. Everyone says it but the vast majority don't really mean it. You can't hate Ashley but support Pardew anyway, not unless there's something wrong with you mentally. He is as much Ashley's man as Kinnear ever was. He props up this regime. If Pardew goes and Ashley suddenly doesn't have a manager who he can use as a willing slave, he has a problem, and may think about washing his hands of a troublesome investment. But let's not think about that. Be a true fan and support the lads and get what you're given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Someone has just commented this on my FB status re:Pardew He's proven over his career that he's incompetent? So that means he can't be a good manager? Ever? Give over. The football we played when we got in Europe... Got us in Europe. Over 38 games, it's not a fluke! He obviously has some tactical nous about him. Regardless if you win by 6 goals or 1, you still win. No style? I think he does have a style of football. He tends to work hard on defence, playing from the back. 1 striker up top, attacking players around him to provide support. Yes he hasn't got it perfect, but it got us to Europe. It got us in the top 10 and it's getting us results when the whole world is against him. Not bad for someone who hasn't got a clue Now... You say my comment is the most pathetic? Yet you have just said the Newcastle Job is the easiest in the world? Says no manager ever! Ask all that have fallen before him? Easiest job my arse. It's never his fault? So thousands of people creating banners for Pardew out. And protests for Pardew to be sacked, and you say it's never his fault? The problem with you and the majority of our fans is that you think we are a big club. A big club that should be fighting for titles and trophies. Yeah we might break into Europe (which Pardew has done) yeah we might have a decent cup run, which he is also doing, but we will never win titles. Or trophies. And we don't deserve too. And the quicker fans realise that, the better. We sack Pardew and who do we get? Realistically? Moyes? Who worked under similar conditions at Everton and probably wouldn't want to return to that. The fact is, yeah he's not the best manager in the world, never said he was. But for the time being, he's the best he and probably anyone else, could do. Until we get taken over by a middle eastern billionaire who's prepared to splash millions, we will never compete. Never have a high profile manager and never win honours. You talk about Ben Arfa... He came out and said Pardew is a great manager, and he's the right person for Newcastle? So how do you explain that? Someone who has apparently been drove out the club, then comes out and says the manager is great? Cabaye also saying he's one of the best managers he's worked with? It's typical that you give him no praise for the last few results, but he deserves it. The tactics, the decisions and his determination is what the club needs. I'm just so I haven't got it in me to reply. :lol: Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I don't think the team selection for this game specifically should be used as a stick to beat him with, but similarly let's not go claiming he's discovered some revolutionary method at motivating fringe players. He shuffled the deck for the cup game as most managers of any calibre do. By that I mean mediocre long ball specialists. Changed that - Even big Manuel shuffled the deck tonight. He had a better hand too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 If the club does truly come first then Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley should be a million miles away from it and no amount of one-off wins should mask that. We're sat here gob smacked because we just beat a team West Ham beat a few days ago. Why accept that? These wins aren't "for the sake of the club", they're to the complete detriment of it. Ultimately, all the Ashley hate is simply a platitude. Everyone says it but the vast majority don't really mean it. Every win is for the sake of the club. The problem is they're too few and far between for us as fans of a decent sized club. That's to the detriment, not the actual wins. Hating Pardew is just easier because it's a more obvious and easy thing to target. We all dislike Ashley but we cannot hate him because the clubs (and his) finances are all smoke and mirrors. Whereas Pardews stats are all there to see, as SackPardew have proved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It was interesting that when Ryan Taylor was asked about how he must have appreciated Pardew's support as a manager, even he deflected it to say that the whole staff needed credit. Even more funny when Sissoko scored a wonder goal and Pardew raised his arm like Caesar to accept the credit for another goal from nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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