Ched Evans - Not Guilty

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I don't think I've misinterpreted the banner though? It seems the point they're making is that 70,000 people signed the petition and these lads are wondering where a lot of them are every Oldham game, no?

[simonlemagnifique]

No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham. They didn't get to the match, look at the acres of empty seats and express their bewilderment at the lack of Wembley attendances by way of banner...

 

The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

[TaylorJ_01]

Fiona Phillips says that once somebody has served their time they are entitled to return to work whether that's popular or not.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ched-evans-oldham-athletic-should-4950460

 

Is there anyone who hasn't had their say?

 

As many have said, if I did a rape I'd definitely not get my old job back. I'd probably have to move into another sector. Maybe Ched should consider getting a normal person job. I'm not sure where this "he's entitled to his old job" bollocks is coming from.

 

Fiona Phillips she's in the job where it 100% definitely isn't the case as well. Just pointlessly sticking her oar in.

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No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham. They didn't get to the match, look at the acres of empty seats and express their bewilderment at the lack of Wembley attendances by way of banner...

 

The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

 

Thus reiterating my point that they're advocating a rapist and coming across thick as pig shit. 70,000 people against a convicted rapist playing football again isn't exactly an enormous amount. How many fans WOULD want him playing for their club?

[simonlemagnifique]

No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham. They didn't get to the match, look at the acres of empty seats and express their bewilderment at the lack of Wembley attendances by way of banner...

 

The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

 

Thus reiterating my point that they're advocating a rapist and coming across thick as pig shit. 70,000 people against a convicted rapist playing football again isn't exactly an enormous amount. How many fans WOULD want him playing for their club?

 

So you agree that the chances are they probably aren't "assuming every single person who signed the petition is an Oldham fan"?

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No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham. They didn't get to the match, look at the acres of empty seats and express their bewilderment at the lack of Wembley attendances by way of banner...

 

The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

 

Thus reiterating my point that they're advocating a rapist and coming across thick as pig shit. 70,000 people against a convicted rapist playing football again isn't exactly an enormous amount. How many fans WOULD want him playing for their club?

 

So you agree that the chances are they probably aren't "assuming every single person who signed the petition is an Oldham fan"?

 

Oh absolutely, but they're obviously assuming that enough of them are to be attending matches?

[simonlemagnifique]

No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham. They didn't get to the match, look at the acres of empty seats and express their bewilderment at the lack of Wembley attendances by way of banner...

 

The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

 

Thus reiterating my point that they're advocating a rapist and coming across thick as pig shit. 70,000 people against a convicted rapist playing football again isn't exactly an enormous amount. How many fans WOULD want him playing for their club?

 

So you agree that the chances are they probably aren't "assuming every single person who signed the petition is an Oldham fan"?

 

Oh absolutely

OK, cool...

 

but they're obviously assuming that enough of them are to be attending matches?

Not trying to be a dick, but this bit isn't quite clear to me... could you reword it for the hard of thinking please?

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The banner is surely implying that whilst 70,000 people sgined a petition dissuading Oldham from signing a convicted rapist, the attendances continued to be poor.

 

The banner chaps are implying that whilst these 70,000 give enough of a shit to sign the petition, they don't give enoguh of a shit to attend Oldham's matches.

 

How exactly do you interpret it?

[Hanshithispantz]

I would say they're coming across as open minded rather than thick as pig shit like, atleast more open minded than the idiots throwing abuse about on social media in retaliation to Oldham trying to sign CONVICTED RAPIST CHED EVANS.

 

Simon, it's pretty clear what the banner stands for.

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I would say they're coming across as open minded rather than thick as pig shit like, atleast more open minded than the idiots throwing abuse about on social media in retaliation to Oldham trying to sign CONVICTED RAPIST CHED EVANS.

 

Simon, it's pretty clear what the banner stands for.

 

I wouldn't say it's pretty clear at all

[Hanshithispantz]

It is, Simon has explained it better than I could already:

 

 

No, they're not wondering where the petition signees are, they know full well that the petition signers are anywhere but Oldham... The banner kids are expressing their view that the petition signers clearly have nothing to do with the club, and don't speak for [this set of] oldham fans. And that's it.

 

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I get that they understand not all 70,000 are Oldham fans and, as pointed out, presumably have little or nothing to do with the club.

 

I’m sure some of the petition signees have got young kids they maybe take to matches, if they took them to the football and their team played Oldham, would they want them exposed to the kind of abuse that would be hurled towards Evans? The guy was in a privileged position and has been convicted of rape, I understand the argument that he could play again, but I also understand the argument against him playing again, hence why I said it’s not clear to me.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

I agree, it's a fair opinion that any fan wouldn't want him at their club. I certainly wouldn't want him here (even if he was good enough) because of the baggage he brings, it's just not worth the hassle.

 

This is a case where other football fans are weighing in on whether or not Oldham should sign him though, which those fans are well within their right to believe is wrong.

[mrmojorisin75]

Hans and Simon

[simonlemagnifique]

Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

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I agree, it's a fair opinion that any fan wouldn't want him at their club. I certainly wouldn't want him here (even if he was good enough) because of the baggage he brings, it's just not worth the hassle.

 

This is a case where other football fans are weighing in on whether or not Oldham should sign him though, which those fans are well within their right to believe is wrong.

 

Same. I wouldn’t want him here either. It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Having said that, these particular fans obviously have a very different view and are seeing an opportunity for a goalscorer on a free transfer slip through their fingers – I can understand their frustrations. It’s a difficult one to call, not just the banner – the situation as a whole.

 

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Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

[simonlemagnifique]

Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

 

Fair enough on that, didn't read like that to me, but that's likely down to my reading more than your writing

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Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

 

Fair enough on that, didn't read like that to me, but that's likely down to my reading more than your writing

 

Maybe both

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It's a disgrace that any club is giving that low life scum a second channce

 

In fact I'm going to write to LA Galaxy right now

[UV]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

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It's a disgrace that any club is giving that low life scum a second channce

 

In fact I'm going to write to LA Galaxy right now

:lol:

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.