Mr Logic Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Time to get banned? First interview back to training. https://quickfileshare.org/7g3/Shelvey.mp4 (Sorry about the time penalty for free download) Why is this beautiful bald cunt on page 2? England would have more goals if he'd played instead of Henderson. (caveat: maybe) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Time to get banned? First interview back to training. https://quickfileshare.org/7g3/Shelvey.mp4 (Sorry about the time penalty for free download) Why is this beautiful bald c*** on page 2? England would have more goals if he'd played instead of Henderson. (caveat: maybe) You know nufcTV is free now? Just go to https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv and watch the video. You need to be signed in but it is free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Time to get banned? First interview back to training. https://quickfileshare.org/7g3/Shelvey.mp4 (Sorry about the time penalty for free download) Why is this beautiful bald c*** on page 2? England would have more goals if he'd played instead of Henderson. (caveat: maybe) You know nufcTV is free now? Just go to https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv and watch the video. You need to be signed in but it is free. It was for those that weren't registered, for whatever reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I can now see why Southgate didn’t bring him, although I think he could have been useful as a sub or in extra time, but only if Vardy was on the pitch too. Henderson is a much better player whose game Shelvey could learn a lot from. I can now see why Lascelles didn’t make it either who is a top defender, but not the best footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 It was never between Henderson and Shelvey though, it was more people like Delph and Welbeck who could’ve been left at home. That said, Shelvey wouldn’t have got on the pitch anyway so it doesn’t really matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Aye, Henderson is obviously better than Shelvey like but his backup is Dier really. Southgate seems to want energetic mifielders which tbf Shelvey isn’t - athough he’s far more athletic than he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Would say Henderson certainly more consistent than Shelvey but certainly doesn’t have the passing range Shelvey has. Shelvey certainly should have been in the squad before Delph. England currently have not had to chase a game apart from the the reserves outing against Belgium and the only time they were under the cosh in the last part of the match and first half of injury time against Columbia they struggled. Be interesting to see how the midfield performs if they have to chase but then again fingers crossed we don’t have to see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Southgate puts Vardy on late as defenders get tired and the game gets stretched, Shelvey would have been ideal to find him in behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Southgate puts Vardy on late as defenders get tired and the game gets stretched, Shelvey would have been ideal to find him in behind. Lets just cut out the middle man and sign Vardy for Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Two very different midfielders obviously, but I could totally understand Southgate favouring Henderson's all action style over Shelvey's more cultured game. I think Jonjo's good fortune is to have Rafa as manager, as he knows how to exploit Shelvey's passing range a lot better than most managers would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Southgate puts Vardy on late as defenders get tired and the game gets stretched, Shelvey would have been ideal to find him in behind. Lets just cut out the middle man and sign Vardy for Newcastle. I'm afraid that would cost more than £15m, we'd be out of that faster than shit through a goose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Two very different midfielders obviously, but I could totally understand Southgate favouring Henderson's all action style over Shelvey's more cultured game. I think Jonjo's good fortune is to have Rafa as manager, as he knows how to exploit Shelvey's passing range a lot better than most managers would. Thing is he took Delph as a CM and Delph played LB in virtually all his appearances last season. Shelvey should have gone instead of Delph imo, you use him to find Vardy when you're chasing a game, or want to finish one off when the opposition are chasing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Two very different midfielders obviously, but I could totally understand Southgate favouring Henderson's all action style over Shelvey's more cultured game. I think Jonjo's good fortune is to have Rafa as manager, as he knows how to exploit Shelvey's passing range a lot better than most managers would. Thing is he took Delph as a CM and Delph played LB in virtually all his appearances last season. Shelvey should have gone instead of Delph imo, you use him to find Vardy when you're chasing a game, or want to finish one off when the opposition are chasing it. I wouldn't disagree, just think Southgate has gone for a certain bunch of players who he thinks gel together as a group, maybe Jonjo with his loner image didn't quite fit with that mold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Even without Vardy on the pitch he would have been very effective. Sterling and Lingard have made quite a few runs in behind that noone have the talent to pick out. Shelvey would have done so a few times and also that big arrowed switch he likes would bring a whole new dimension to this side., as the ones that do try it in this side loft it too much and its less effective. That said we're in a World cup semi, so cant complain really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Two very different midfielders obviously, but I could totally understand Southgate favouring Henderson's all action style over Shelvey's more cultured game. I think Jonjo's good fortune is to have Rafa as manager, as he knows how to exploit Shelvey's passing range a lot better than most managers would. Thing is he took Delph as a CM and Delph played LB in virtually all his appearances last season. Shelvey should have gone instead of Delph imo, you use him to find Vardy when you're chasing a game, or want to finish one off when the opposition are chasing it. I wouldn't disagree, just think Southgate has gone for a certain bunch of players who he thinks gel together as a group, maybe Jonjo with his loner image didn't quite fit with that mold. Aye and you can hardly say Southgate has got it wrong to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If Shelvey was playing we'd be in the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 If Shelvey was playing we'd be in the final by now. FYP. Just read that on RTG. Whole new level of self-congratulatory vileness there at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Shelvey's not mobile enough to play how Southgate wants to play. It's now no great surprise he didn't get picked, he was probably never in the running (excuse the pun) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Same goes with Lascelles. Every single one of our CBs are comfortable bringing the ball out of defence 30-40 yards. Not saying Lascelles is bad at that, but it’s not his strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The more i see and hear about this squad the more i think Shelvey's omission was less to do with ability or temperament - it was to do with the fact that this is a very united, close knit squad that know each other well and enjoy each others' company. Bringing in an outsider at such a late stage could've upset the balance and potentially derailed the campaign. Hopefully, if Shelvey continues where he left off last he'll get his chance and there's time between now and the next major tournament to integrate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yeah, I can completely understand why he didn't get picked, but I do think he would have added something for the few minutes he'd get. Nobody outside the first XI has really contributed so it's a moot point really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yeah, I can completely understand why he didn't get picked, but I do think he would have added something for the few minutes he'd get. Nobody outside the first XI has really contributed so it's a moot point really. I totally agree. I'd actually have Shelvey starting ahead of Henderson because his vision and range of passing would be a huge asset with so much pace and movement around him. I have changed my mind on Henderson to an extent, he's impressed me throughout this tournament but I still maintain that he doesn't have one outstanding attribute in his arsenal. A harmonious squad is clearly very important to this team's success though, especially when we're not blessed with loads of world class players. I can totally understand why Shelvey was left out but if it continues to happen beyond this tournament I think serious questions have to be asked because as you point out, outside the first 11, no one has stood out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 If Shelvey was playing we'd be in the final by now. FYP. Just read that on RTG. Whole new level of self-congratulatory vileness there at the moment. Eh? I don't understand. Do you mean they have quoted me on RTG as some kind of indication of our delusion? If so, that's funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ManDoon Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I like Shelvey as a player but does no one suspect he might be a bit of a dick? As suggested the harmony is good in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yeah, I can completely understand why he didn't get picked, but I do think he would have added something for the few minutes he'd get. Nobody outside the first XI has really contributed so it's a moot point really. I totally agree. I'd actually have Shelvey starting ahead of Henderson because his vision and range of passing would be a huge asset with so much pace and movement around him. I have changed my mind on Henderson to an extent, he's impressed me throughout this tournament but I still maintain that he doesn't have one outstanding attribute in his arsenal. A harmonious squad is clearly very important to this team's success though, especially when we're not blessed with loads of world class players. I can totally understand why Shelvey was left out but if it continues to happen beyond this tournament I think serious questions have to be asked because as you point out, outside the first 11, no one has stood out. Personally I think we'd be out already if Shelvey was playing instead of Henderson. Henderson's not impressive at first glance but he's essential to the team. Even just for the fact we don't need a dedicated holding midfielder because he's so athletic and mobile. He doesn't have the range of Shelvey obviously, and I'd like to think Jonjo has a chance in the future if he has another good season. It was never a choice between the two anyway, it would've been someone like Delph who stayed at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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