Coffee_Johnny Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: All other players? Shouldn't he be compared against all other wingers? Anyway ... me personally, I'm looking forward to getting in a better all around footballer in the position next year. Because at the moment, every time he gets the ball in our own half I'm sweating bullets. Right Kaka, 100 burpees for you when The Juice bangs one in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: All other players? Shouldn't he be compared against all other wingers? Anyway ... me personally, I'm looking forward to getting in a better all around footballer in the position next year. Because at the moment, every time he gets the ball in our own half I'm sweating bullets. You do realize that if only comparing him to wingers, he'd rank even higher...right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, Coffee_Johnny said: Right Kaka, 100 burpees for you when The Juice bangs one in. I hope he does. He does some good things in the final third. It's not his fault we don't have any better options there. We definitely need to improve things on that side going forward though, no question about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: I hope he does. He does some good things in the final third. It's not his fault we don't have any better options there. We definitely need to improve things on that side going forward though, no question about it. 5th best winger in the PL so far this season. I'd say we should be fairly happy he's playing for us and not our competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, Kaizero said: You do realize that if only comparing him to wingers, he'd rank even higher...right? Just now, Kaizero said: 5th best winger in the PL so far this season. I'd say we should be fairly happy he's playing for us and not our competition. Why does this have his successful take ons so low then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Kaizero said: 5th best winger in the PL so far this season. I'd say we should be fairly happy he's playing for us and not our competition. Who are the top 4 out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Who are the top 4 out of interest? Palmer, Kluivert, Saka and Elanga. Salah is at the top if we're to count him as an out-and-out winger, which I didn't as KaKa was on about only comparing Murphy to wingers, and in my mind Salah is more a striker than winger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Palmer, Kluivert, Saka and Elanga. Salah is at the top if we're to count him as an out-and-out winger, which I didn't as KaKa was on about only comparing Murphy to wingers, and in my mind Salah is more a striker than winger Just off the top of my head Gordon and Madueke would have to be ahead of him and they aren't on your list of top 4. But checking on fbref it lines up more with what I'd expect. So something seems to be off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Why does this have his successful take ons so low then? You need to combine relevant stats to get a genuine insight into what a player delivers in total. Can't cherry pick one stat, that's why most people hate when people reference xA and xG as something definitive. A take-on attempt is when a player makes a decisive move to pass a player in front of them. It doesn't include a successful dribble as that counts as an attempted dribble, not a take-on attempt – even if the dribble means the player gets past the opposing player. If the singular stat showing that Murphy's not had success with decisive moves to pass a player brings you comfort, I won't take that away from you. I do recommend you look up how many take-on attempts Murphy's made, so you at least get some context regarding the actual importance of that stat. At the same time, look up his attempted dribbles (this is the stat for more advanced take-on attempts). I also recommend you use something more accurate than FBRef as they don't even have the correct amount of minutes played. There are decent free alternatives out there, UnderStat and FootyStats being two of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Just off the top of my head Gordon and Madueke would have to be ahead of him and they aren't on your list of top 4. But checking on fbref it lines up more with what I'd expect. So something seems to be off. If scouts used your method for comparing players, it'd be pure chaos. The ranking method utilized was combining a data set consisting of chances created for team, big chances created for team, goals scored, assists, xBuildUp90 and xChain. Then weighing and averaging those values for a player acting as a winger, before combining them into an average weighted score. I'll give you that I did not include "successful take-ons" in the data set. Edited March 16 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 8 minutes ago, Kaizero said: You need to combine relevant stats to get a genuine insight into what a player delivers in total. Can't cherry pick one stat, that's why most people hate when people reference xA and xG as something definitive. A take-on attempt is when a player makes a decisive move to pass a player in front of them. It doesn't include a successful dribble as that counts as an attempted dribble, not a take-on attempt – even if the dribble means the player gets past the opposing player. If the singular stat showing that Murphy's not had success with decisive moves to pass a player brings you comfort, I won't take that away from you. I do recommend you look up how many take-on attempts Murphy's made, so you at least get some context regarding the actual importance of that stat. At the same time, look up his attempted dribbles (this is the stat for more advanced take-on attempts). I also recommend you use something more accurate than FBRef as they don't even have the correct amount of minutes played. There are decent free alternatives out there, UnderStat and FootyStats being two of them. 4 minutes ago, Kaizero said: If scouts used your method for comparing players, it'd be pure chaos. The ranking method utilized was combining a data set consisting of chances created for team, big chances created for team, goals scored, assists, xBuildUp90 and xChain. Then weighing and averaging those values for a player acting as a winger, before combining them into an average weighted score. I'll give you that I did not include "successful take-ons" in the data set. My first point of reference is from watching the games. Whether it's dribbles or take ons with whatever definition is used, I'm not putting Murphy ahead of the likes of Gordon, Madueke, Luis Diaz, Cunha, Neto, Mitoma and Kudus just as some examples of players that weren't in your top 4 ahead of him. It doesn't add up for me. But fine to agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 This place man 😀 it could be the best day of supporting this club in our lives. and @Kaizero & @KaKa have decided to have a ding dong. Enjoy the day lads, days like this don’t come around too often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Ronson333 said: This place man 😀 it could be the best day of supporting this club in our lives. and @Kaizero & @KaKa have decided to have a ding dong. Enjoy the day lads, days like this don’t come around too often. We're not having a ding dong. Just a pretty normal and typical discussion about a player on a football forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 42 minutes ago, KaKa said: We're not having a ding dong. Just a pretty normal and typical discussion about a player on a football forum. This. It's perfectly okay to disagree about a subject and still remain cordial, never felt this was anything other than two people with two different viewpoints about him discussing Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Today is a day for him. The performance to a certain point is irrelevant, if he goes and puts up some G/A. Go make yourself a legend Jacob lad!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, KaKa said: We're not having a ding dong. Just a pretty normal and typical discussion about a player on a football forum. Agreed It's not It is on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Ronson333 said: @Kaizero & @KaKa have decided to have a ding dong. 1 hour ago, KaKa said: We're not having a ding dong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 19 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 WHERE ARE YOU HATERS BITCHESSSS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 This Legendary MF-er Right here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Well fucking done lad, you can see he was nervous and was not at all playing well first half, second half he was much better and that leap to assist Isak will forever be in our club's history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gjohnson Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 He's turned into a genuine player. Certainly no weak link anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Brilliant assist, the climb alone would have been win enough but directing it to Isak as accurately as he did was perfect play, took ability and desire, magnitude aside that was excellent. Little things like that. Someone flakes that and a great goal doesn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 ONLY assisted the winning goal in a cup final, needs to be sold in the summer etc. Isak owes his career to this man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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