Guest ElCid Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It is a bit silly as yes there is a big gulf but they were playing a one off cup tie against a very disjointed Man United side. Man United have lost a lot of similar games in recent times. We were playing against one of the best sides ever, that had won 18, drawn 1, lost 0. If we had shown the same application as they did or we did against Liverpool or Tottenham or City you would not have heard a buzz from me even if we had let in 3 or 4. Nobody is denying their quality and that’s exactly why I am saying you don’t allow teams like that to be allowed to walk the ball into our third of the pitch without even a challenge or a token effort to put pressure onto their team and to not give them the time or space to pick their pass. The last 15 minutes is exactly how the previous 75 should have been played as we then started to put the pressure on and the challenges in. We were chasing the game at 0-1 down, their defenders were tiring and we put pacey players on as subs in Gayle and Atsu. I think it's quite easy to say "we should have played like that the whole game" but it just wouldn't have worked like that. We would've tired with them playing passes around our press we would've gotten done 3 or 4+. We tried rushing Man Utd, Bournemouth and Leicester and ended up getting dicked after 20 minutes (well, 45 against Bournemouth). It's likely City would have double fisted us. Up until the first goal at Man Utd we were excellent and then fell to pieces. Leicester in parts we played ok also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I think we started well against Leicester and then they dominated after they scored, we were unlucky to lose in the end but we were by far 2nd best for most of the game. I thought similar 2nd half against Bournemouth. But yeah it isn't really relevant, the point is we never lasted long on top in those games so I agree trying similar against City would have been a bad idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It is a bit silly as yes there is a big gulf but they were playing a one off cup tie against a very disjointed Man United side. Man United have lost a lot of similar games in recent times. We were playing against one of the best sides ever, that had won 18, drawn 1, lost 0. If we had shown the same application as they did or we did against Liverpool or Tottenham or City you would not have heard a buzz from me even if we had let in 3 or 4. Nobody is denying their quality and that’s exactly why I am saying you don’t allow teams like that to be allowed to walk the ball into our third of the pitch without even a challenge or a token effort to put pressure onto their team and to not give them the time or space to pick their pass. The last 15 minutes is exactly how the previous 75 should have been played as we then started to put the pressure on and the challenges in. For the umpteenth time, this just didn't happen. We were very disciplined in our shape a really restricted their space and came close to shutting them out. But hey, it would have been much better to go toe to toe with a press and get picked off and be 4 nil down after 25 minutes eh? And for the umpteenth time it did happen. I think you’re talking absolute shit and you do me so may as well just leave it because neither of us will change our opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Right, let's just all agree to disagree and focus on a huge game for us later on today, aye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It is a bit silly as yes there is a big gulf but they were playing a one off cup tie against a very disjointed Man United side. Man United have lost a lot of similar games in recent times. We were playing against one of the best sides ever, that had won 18, drawn 1, lost 0. If we had shown the same application as they did or we did against Liverpool or Tottenham or City you would not have heard a buzz from me even if we had let in 3 or 4. Nobody is denying their quality and that’s exactly why I am saying you don’t allow teams like that to be allowed to walk the ball into our third of the pitch without even a challenge or a token effort to put pressure onto their team and to not give them the time or space to pick their pass. The last 15 minutes is exactly how the previous 75 should have been played as we then started to put the pressure on and the challenges in. We were chasing the game at 0-1 down, their defenders were tiring and we put pacey players on as subs in Gayle and Atsu. I think it's quite easy to say "we should have played like that the whole game" but it just wouldn't have worked like that. We would've tired with them playing passes around our press we would've gotten done 3 or 4+. We tried rushing Man Utd, Bournemouth and Leicester and ended up getting dicked after 20 minutes (well, 45 against Bournemouth). It's likely City would have double fisted us. Up until the first goal at Man Utd we were excellent and then fell to pieces. Leicester in parts we played ok also. That's the thing though, rushing them like we did in those games is the only other real alternative I can think of, and it never worked out well against worse sides. In terms of pressing well and catching them on the break we haven't been able to do that effectively for most of the season (West Ham 3-0 and Stoke 2-1?), I cannot imagine it working suddenly against City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It is a bit silly as yes there is a big gulf but they were playing a one off cup tie against a very disjointed Man United side. Man United have lost a lot of similar games in recent times. We were playing against one of the best sides ever, that had won 18, drawn 1, lost 0. If we had shown the same application as they did or we did against Liverpool or Tottenham or City you would not have heard a buzz from me even if we had let in 3 or 4. Nobody is denying their quality and that’s exactly why I am saying you don’t allow teams like that to be allowed to walk the ball into our third of the pitch without even a challenge or a token effort to put pressure onto their team and to not give them the time or space to pick their pass. The last 15 minutes is exactly how the previous 75 should have been played as we then started to put the pressure on and the challenges in. We were chasing the game at 0-1 down, their defenders were tiring and we put pacey players on as subs in Gayle and Atsu. I think it's quite easy to say "we should have played like that the whole game" but it just wouldn't have worked like that. We would've tired with them playing passes around our press we would've gotten done 3 or 4+. 9 out of ten times we would have been beaten 6 or 7 if city had their shooting boots on also. That’s the point I’m saying just because they didn’t and we got away with a one nil defeat doesn’t mean that performance was right. They didn’t not down to good defensive work, formation or anything to do with our team it was purely down to city thankfully having a poor day in front of goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Right, let's just all agree to disagree and focus on a huge game for us later on today, aye? Yeah agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Right, let's just all agree to disagree and focus on a huge game for us later on today, aye? Yeah agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Aye, but those 35 minutes.... Nah, this game is done and dusted, onwards and upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 How were we 'cut to shreds'? They created chances because they're a fantastic side, it would have been nigh on impossible to restrict them to creating nothing and we were always going to need a bit of luck, but they hardly got in behind us at will like you're making out. Difference is restricting them to a few not many like we did against Liverpool and Tottenham. All teams will usually get one or two chances in a game. They got behind us time after time except for the last 15 minutes when we started to actually put pressure onto them. They didn’t get behind us time after time, that’s nonsense. They got behind us once in the first half, when they scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 124 minutes until kick-off. Phew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 How were we 'cut to shreds'? They created chances because they're a fantastic side, it would have been nigh on impossible to restrict them to creating nothing and we were always going to need a bit of luck, but they hardly got in behind us at will like you're making out. Difference is restricting them to a few not many like we did against Liverpool and Tottenham. All teams will usually get one or two chances in a game. They got behind us time after time except for the last 15 minutes when we started to actually put pressure onto them. They didn’t get behind us time after time, that’s nonsense. They got behind us once in the first half, when they scored. and like most of the goals conceded this season, it could and should have been defended better, the ball was lobbed slowly into the air and our Mbemba reacted slowly, and ElCid has already admitted Yedlin went missing from that flank. I don't see how you can blame tactics for that, or any of the other chances for that matter. When did City produce some fantastic football where defending couldn't be blamed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 How were we 'cut to shreds'? They created chances because they're a fantastic side, it would have been nigh on impossible to restrict them to creating nothing and we were always going to need a bit of luck, but they hardly got in behind us at will like you're making out. Difference is restricting them to a few not many like we did against Liverpool and Tottenham. All teams will usually get one or two chances in a game. They got behind us time after time except for the last 15 minutes when we started to actually put pressure onto them. They didn’t get behind us time after time, that’s nonsense. They got behind us once in the first half, when they scored. And when Aguero got in behind Dummett and missed a sitter, Aguero missed another sitter but I think it was wrongly called for offside anyway, Aguero actually missed another easy chance that I had totally forgotten about where he tried to place it when he should have smashed it, think de Bruyne's sitter was the first half as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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