chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, gdm said: It was a clear penalty man. Theatrical dive or not his foot gets sweeped Definitely not clear. Both defences can be reasonably argued which is the very reason it wasn't overturned. Needs to stop going down like a hooker on speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) It’s a massive penalty like. Player gets turned and sweeps other player’s leg away with his foot. Of course he tries to draw attention to it, but it is a foul for sure. They should really scrap VAR if it isn’t going to give things like that. Obvious ones, the ref can see anyway. Edited January 24, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Inferior Acuña said: I reckon if you get clipped in the box and you're falling (which was a real fall as he loses footing due to contact) you'd naturally throw your hands in the air and scream HOWAY REF!! as you're going down. Which is the very reason it wasn't given. Referees are looking for that sort of carry on. ASM is his own worst enemy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: It’s a massive penalty like. Player gets turned and sweeps other player’s leg away with his foot. Of course he tries to draw attention to it, but it is a foul for sure. They should really scrap VAR if it isn’t going to give things like that. Obvious ones, the ref can see anyway. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: It’s a massive penalty like. Player gets turned and sweeps other player’s leg away with his foot. Of course he tries to draw attention to it, but it is a foul for sure. They should really scrap VAR if it isn’t going to give things like that. Obvious ones, the ref can see anyway. There is clear direction on VAR to only overturn decisions that are a clear refereeing error. This one is far from clear. There's a good couple of seconds between Koch's leg being out and ASM starting to fall. It's an odd one, his foot appears to be planted and then he slips under his own momentum. If there was contact, it's not difficult to understand how, in the heat of the moment, the referee missed it. And the theatrics will have influenced him that ASM was looking for it. Even in slo-mo, it's not a clear penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I get the direction, I just don’t think it makes sense. VAR should be there to decide if it was a penalty and if the referee was wrong. On the incident itself, guess agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, chayton said: Definitely not clear. Both defences can be reasonably argued which is the very reason it wasn't overturned. Needs to stop going down like a hooker on speed. Fuck me, can we not revive Toontastic and kick this one back over there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I get the direction, I just don’t think it makes sense. VAR should be there to decide if it was a penalty and if the referee was wrong. On the incident itself, guess agree to disagree. I think we all have our opinions on VAR - none of them are great. My personal view is that there shouldn't be an official sat in Stockley Park. There should be a video operator with a radio mic link to the referee but that it should be at the referee's discretion whether he decides to review. I also think each team should have a limited number of VAR 'challenges' per match like they do in tennis. Would cut half the nonsense straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, TRon said: Fuck me, can we not revive Toontastic and kick this one back over there? No chance, you've got me for the duration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, chayton said: No chance, you've got me for the duration This is how it works here: Our lad goes down in the box, it's a penalty no question. That's it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, TRon said: This is how it works here: Our lad goes down in the box, it's a penalty no question. That's it really. We need to find the fucking sniper behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll I reckon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Told you @chayton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Told you @chayton Yep, but you know me ... old habits die hard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, chayton said: There is clear direction on VAR to only overturn decisions that are a clear refereeing error. This one is far from clear. There's a good couple of seconds between Koch's leg being out and ASM starting to fall. It's an odd one, his foot appears to be planted and then he slips under his own momentum. If there was contact, it's not difficult to understand how, in the heat of the moment, the referee missed it. And the theatrics will have influenced him that ASM was looking for it. Even in slo-mo, it's not a clear penalty. I guess Pawson didn't get that memo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: I guess Pawson didn't get that memo On the contrary, I think he most definitely did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smootsmack Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, chayton said: There's a good couple of seconds between Koch's leg being out and ASM starting to fall. It's less than a second unless you're watching in slow motion. 38 minutes ago, chayton said: It's an odd one, his foot appears to be planted and then he slips under his own momentum. His foot lands in an unnatural position because his leg has been kicked forward 35 minutes ago, chayton said: If there was contact, it's not difficult to understand how, in the heat of the moment, the referee missed it. There was contact, and if the referee understandably missed it, that's a "clear and obvious error". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, smootsmack said: It's less than a second unless you're watching in slow motion. His foot lands in an unnatural position because his leg has been kicked forward There was contact, and if the referee understandably missed it, that's a "clear and obvious error". 1. Semantics. It's unnaturally longer pause than it should be 2. Disagree. He appears to slip from his own momentum 3. 'Contact' is debatable. Which is why under the current application of VAR, the decision of the referee wasn't overturned. Move on man, we won the game FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smootsmack Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, chayton said: 1. Semantics. It's unnaturally longer pause than it should be 2. Disagree. He appears to slip from his own momentum 3. 'Contact' is debatable. Which is why under the current application of VAR, the decision of the referee wasn't overturned. Move on man, we won the game FFS you've posted 12 times on this page... How is contact debatable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, smootsmack said: you've posted 12 times on this page... How is contact debatable? Trust me young un, I've posted a lot more than 12 times on this page As for your question, it's demonstrable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Told you @chayton Getting a succinct reminder why I left this place almost 17 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Mate you are talking nonsense but that’s your opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Because people are challenging your bollocks assertion that it wasn't a clear fucking penalty whether ASM throws his arms up or not? Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 But it wasn't a clear penalty, that's no 'bollocks assertion' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chayton Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, gdm said: Mate you are talking nonsense but that’s your opinion And that is yours. We respectfully agree to disagree I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, chayton said: Which is the very reason it wasn't given. Referees are looking for that sort of carry on. ASM is his own worst enemy. Maybe they should focus on looking for fouls, instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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