FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 14:39, madras said: It's a no win for football really isn't it ? Expand Governing bodies aren’t above the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) On 30/12/2023 at 14:41, FloydianMag said: Governing bodies aren’t above the law. Expand They aren't but it's a joke how much money goes to agents in the game. The governing body who registers players should be allowed to control that. Edited December 30, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 14:41, FloydianMag said: Governing bodies aren’t above the law. Expand Only Chelsea, city and psg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 14:43, Fezzle said: Only Chelsea, city and psg Expand If FFP is ruled as being anti competitive, as it should be, it’s City’s get out of jail free card, I’m sure their lawyers are all over this as should ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Got absolutely no problems with agents making loads of dollar.....as long as it's the player's who are paying them. If a club asks for an agent's help finding a player then fair enough but the agent getting an obscene cut of the transfer fee has never sat well with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 NDM’s view. https://x.com/nickdemarco_/status/1741109630757921036?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 15:14, midds said: Got absolutely no problems with agents making loads of dollar.....as long as it's the player's who are paying them. If a club asks for an agent's help finding a player then fair enough but the agent getting an obscene cut of the transfer fee has never sat well with me. Expand Exactly this. Should be a set fee the buying club has ie very low and rest paid by the player. Piss take they can manipulative transfers to their advantage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 15:06, FloydianMag said: If FFP is ruled as being anti competitive, as it should be, it’s City’s get out of jail free card, I’m sure their lawyers are all over this as should ours. Expand Doesn't sit well with me as us and others have played the game. Has to be a cut off point. Also city aren't really being done for ffp, they were willfully paying illegal payments from dodgy sources Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 16:42, Fezzle said: Doesn't sit well with me as us and others have played the game. Has to be a cut off point. Also city aren't really being done for ffp, they were willfully paying illegal payments from dodgy sources Expand TBF, it’s only impacted us since we were taken over. As for City I agree to an extent, however if FFP hadn’t of existed their owners might not have had to allegedly funnel money into City through shell companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 16:42, Fezzle said: Doesn't sit well with me as us and others have played the game. Has to be a cut off point. Also city aren't really being done for ffp, they were willfully paying illegal payments from dodgy sources Expand City absolutely are being done for FFP, they are not accused of doing anything illegal only of breaching the PL's rules relating to FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 17:32, Jackie Broon said: City absolutely are being done for FFP, they are not accused of doing anything illegal only of breaching the PL's rules relating to FFP. Expand There's leaked documents stating they were asking for dodgy funds transferred to cover stuff man. You can't have 115 cases of the exact same offense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I think the charges are just lots of separate schemes and plots to get around FFP rules - paying staff through other companies, "topping up" sponsorships etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 18:19, Fezzle said: There's leaked documents stating they were asking for dodgy funds transferred to cover stuff man. You can't have 115 cases of the exact same offense Expand Yes to shell companies allegedly, if FFP was to be shown to be anti competitive and illegal, they wouldn’t have needed to get involved in any shady dealings. Their owners could have give them the money, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I don’t want to see unrestrained spending in football - I don’t think FFP is a bad thing, I just don’t agree with how it’s been set up. I also don’t think NDM is a heroic figure - I think he’s a leech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 18:47, TheBrownBottle said: I don’t want to see unrestrained spending in football - I don’t think FFP is a bad thing, I just don’t agree with how it’s been set up. I also don’t think NDM is a heroic figure - I think he’s a leech. Expand Whether you think he’s a leech or not he’s an authoritative figure who knows his shit. FFP is fine as long as all clubs can spend the same amounts to ensure competitive balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 28/12/2023 at 09:06, Groundhog63 said: Chelsea, much like half of London was a Russian money laundering exercise. Abramovitch is just a very well recompensed middle man. They bought the tories. That's why we have 2 in the HoLs Expand 3 now with Matthew Elliott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 18:54, FloydianMag said: Whether you think he’s a leech or not he’s an authoritative figure who knows his shit. FFP is fine as long as all clubs can spend the same amounts to ensure competitive balance. Expand So it’s either a US-style system of caps or unfettered, unrestrained capitalism? Neither sounds like a positive outcome for football to me. But NDM is thinking of the money that will come his way, not the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I also suspect that football’s contract system would not survive a meeting with commercial and employment laws, nor would exorbitant release clauses get past punitive contract clauses laws. Why don’t we challenge those too? Let’s just have a free-for-all, and watch while unrestrained inflation destroys all but a handful of clubs. We’d be one of them, and it’s all about us - so who cares? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 19:07, TheBrownBottle said: So it’s either a US-style system of caps or unfettered, unrestrained capitalism? Neither sounds like a positive outcome for football to me. But NDM is thinking of the money that will come his way, not the game. Expand Football clubs are businesses after all and are not above Competition Law, as for lawyers they all make excellent fees, well other than those that work in the criminal justice system. What needs to go is co-efficients, history and heritage that they use to justify higher levels of sponsorship etc then it would be a fairer competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 19:17, FloydianMag said: Football clubs are businesses after all and are not above Competition Law, as for lawyers they all make excellent fees, well other than those that work in the criminal justice system. What needs to go is co-efficients, history and heritage that they use to justify higher levels of sponsorship etc then it would be a fairer competition. Expand Football clubs being considered businesses these days is part of the problem. Independent regulation is what would be needed - not potentially destroying the game. What NDM would bring about isn’t tweaks to the ‘market value’ rules, but a free-for-all which would wreck the sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 18:19, Fezzle said: There's leaked documents stating they were asking for dodgy funds transferred to cover stuff man. You can't have 115 cases of the exact same offense Expand If they did what is alleged it would have been to inflate their income to allow them to spend more under FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 19:38, Jackie Broon said: If they did what is alleged it would have been to inflate their income to allow them to spend more under FFP. Expand How does hidden payments off the books inflate income? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 19:55, Fezzle said: How does hidden payments off the books inflate income? Expand There was both. Hidden payments going out AND inflated sponsorships (and vagueness over where some of the money for trem originated) coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 19:55, Fezzle said: How does hidden payments off the books inflate income? Expand I think at least one of the charges is relating to Etihad's shirt and/or stadium sponsorship - the accusation is that Etihad themselves only put up a small percentage of the sponsorship money, the rest was put in by the owners but disguised as coming from Etihad. So instead of the owners putting in the money themselves, they put it in via Etihad, artificially increasing the club's income therefore allowing more flexibility to spend within FFP regulations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 30/12/2023 at 20:07, Keegans Export said: I think at least one of the charges is relating to Etihad's shirt and/or stadium sponsorship - the accusation is that Etihad themselves only put up a small percentage of the sponsorship money, the rest was put in by the owners but disguised as coming from Etihad. So instead of the owners putting in the money themselves, they put it in via Etihad, artificially increasing the club's income therefore allowing more flexibility to spend within FFP regulations. Expand Which brings us back to why should owners be prevented from investing in the club they own by artificial constructs like FFP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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