Eddie Howe

[Menace]

Would've been Poch if he wasn't so eager to get back into management I reckon

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

Would've been Poch if he wasn't so eager to get back into management I reckon

 

Reckon he'd have settled for a club that needs to sell before they can buy? (apparently)

[HaydnNUFC]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, I’ll be honest I wouldn’t trust the club to go out and get an elite manager tbh.

 

Neither tbph. Tuchel would've been ideal had he not taken the Ingerlund job, if we're speaking hypothetically making a change this second. Managers such as Conceicao and Terzic I don't know too much about. Are they elite? I'm not sure. Would Allegri come here and manage outside of Italy for the first time? Is he elite still? I doubt the club would even go for him. If the club went for Potter we may as well just stick with Howe.

 

I'm struggling for names outside of them. Bearing in mind I am just thinking of those out of work atm.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

It looked to me like Murphy was given the instruction to just cross the ball into the box at every opportunity.

 

 

He did that tbf, and they were decent instructions considering any attempts at doing more than that saw him lose the ball. There was one point near the end where the ball was pinged to him and his attempt to control it ended up with the ball looping up into the air his touch was that bad.

[Wallsendmag]

Literally no excuse for not qualifying for Europe this season with us having a far lighter schedule than most the teams we are competing against for those positions.

 

If we don't qualify for a 2nd year running I think he'll be sacked, and tbf he probably should be*.

 

*Obviously if we won the League Cup for example that changes everything.

[Chris_R]

43 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Considering when Bruno joined he was played further forward, and was much more influential as far as scoring and assisting, I just don't understand why we don't do that more when the team is struggling to be more incisive.

 

Very very disappointing.

 

This.

 

I'm sick of seeing us play Bruno, our most creative player, as a defensive midfielder whilst Sean Longstaff, who is the polar opposite, is further forward. Joelinton too.

 

I've no idea if Longstaff or Big Joe can play as a DM, and tbh I don't really care. But I don't want Bruno there any longer. Our best times under Howe - the season and a half after he joined - had Bruno further up the field weighing in with goals and assists. We need that back.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Chris_R

[joeyt]

2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Our best times under Howe - the season and a half after he joined - had Bruno further up the field weighing in with goals and assists. We need that back.

 

 

 

 

He's pretty much always played as the deepest lying centre mid here

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

This.

 

I'm sick of seeing us play Bruno, our most creative player, as a defensive midfielder whilst Sean Longstaff, who is the polar opposite, is further forward. Joelinton too.

 

I've no idea if Longstaff or Big Joe can play as a DM, and tbh I don't really care. But I don't want Bruno there any longer. Our best times under Howe - the season and a half after he joined - had Bruno further up the field weighing in with goals and assists. We need that back.

 

 

 

 

Longstaff has all the running and tackling skills required for a DM, but none of the skill. He wouldn't be able to resist the press effectively, he'd lose the ball, and he'd not be able to orchestrate from the back either. Ditto Joelinton more or less.

[Chris_R]

Just now, TRon said:

 

Longstaff has all the running and tackling skills required for a DM, but none of the skill. He wouldn't be able to resist the press effectively, he'd lose the ball, and he'd not be able to orchestrate from the back either. Ditto Joelinton more or less.

 

As I say, I don't care. I don't want Bruno there any longer though.

[JEToon]

Bruno should be playing where he is every day of the week for me, he is never a 10, he is however someone who is, when on form, fantastic at creating shape of a game and playing through a midfield press, he isn’t though a true creative killer and never really, genuinely been a great goal threat or offered many assists

 

 

[Chris_R]

7 minutes ago, JEToon said:

Bruno should be playing where he is every day of the week for me, he is never a 10

 

He doesn't have to be a 10 just to not be a 4.

 

Who do you think our "10" is now? We don't have one. We have a 4 in Bruno (Or a 6 if you're younger, maybe) and two central midfielders ahead of him. I'm not proposing he plays just behind the striker, I'm suggesting he simply swaps with one of the other 2 immediately ahead of him.

[McEwan]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Your first sentence is the key here. Absolutely no one realistically out there we could get even if we did need to make a change.

 

It's going to be Mourinho, isn't it.

[Chris_R]

17 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

He's pretty much always played as the deepest lying centre mid here

 

He plays way deeper now. Here's his heat map from last night...

 

 

I wanted to find the same one for West Ham 2 seasons ago but he didn't play that match. so I've found Chelsea at home which was around the same time of year 2 years ago instead...

 

 

Much higher up. That's where he used to play all the time, mainly in the opposition half rather than mainly in our half getting the ball off the central defenders all the time. Because where he is now, all he's doing is passing it to Joelinton or Longstaff who then immediately lose it.

 

He barely ever has a shot these days unless it's a long-range hit and hope borne out of frustration. You never see him in the box. Remember vs Leicester, him scoring a header from a cross? Just never happens now.  In fact here's the heatmap from that Leicester game, barely ever in his own half:

 

 

Look at his goals highlights from that season, he's never in those positions anymore. It's stifling us.

[joeyt]

I guess that's where we miss Trippier and Botman being able to play the ball between the lines. Their replacements aren't as good with their passing

[Kanj]

 

Edin Terzić would be my my choice if they ever do the unthinkable and have to move on from Eddie. 

[KaKa]

43 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

He's pretty much always played as the deepest lying centre mid here

 

Shelvey used to sit at the base of midfield when Bruno first came in.

 

That only really changed after Shelvey left.

[Kanj]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Shelvey used to sit at the base of midfield when Bruno first came in.

 

That only really changed after Shelvey left.

 

Sandro, Sandro, Sandro. Just play Sandro there. 

[TRon]

Just now, Kanj said:

 

Sandro, Sandro, Sandro. Just play Sandro there. 

 

 

Seems the obvious choice since he did really well there in the cup win over Chelsea.

[CallumG6]

6 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

Edin Terzić would be my my choice if they ever do the unthinkable and have to move on from Eddie. 

 

Agree. And also would be a realistic option, given his share price has dropped a bit since being given the boot by BVB.

 

[joeyt]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Shelvey used to sit at the base of midfield when Bruno first came in.

 

That only really changed after Shelvey left.

 

Bruno played at the base of midfield in the 4th place season despite Shelvey being here for the first half of that

[timeEd32]

I think we win that exact game more often than not and, not surprisingly, the reaction is over the top. But two related things concern me about last night:

 

1) Piggybacking on a point @KaKa has made, why was his first move with Willock coming off to put Joelinton in the midfield and go back to something that really hasn't worked all season?

 

2) After the second goal, why did he think we had to get out of our preferred formation into something we're clearly not comfortable playing?

 

There are so many variations we could try within our preferred system that get Tonali on the pitch and that keeps Joelinton further forward. There are aspects of Tonali's game that could mimic what Willock does. Just bring him on and do more of the same. Don't like that idea? Then bring Tonali on as the 6 and move Bruno forward. Down 2-0 you could even try Longstaff as the 6 because what's to lose and try to get both Bruno and Tonali closer to goal. Or put Hall as the 6 in that scenario and do the Tripppier/Tino change we did anyway.

 

I'm quite certain any of these would have yielded more coherent play and better chances than whatever that god awful 4-4-2/4-5-1 with Gordon holding Barnes' hand was.

[JEToon]

36 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

He doesn't have to be a 10 just to not be a 4.

 

Who do you think our "10" is now? We don't have one. We have a 4 in Bruno (Or a 6 if you're younger, maybe) and two central midfielders ahead of him. I'm not proposing he plays just behind the striker, I'm suggesting he simply swaps with one of the other 2 immediately ahead of him.

 

Part of the problem with missing out a big chunk of the rest of a post I suppose.

 

We don’t play with a 10, that’s right, we have midfield runners who do a lot of unselfish work, Longstaff and Joelinton are a lot better at that and it users their strengths and Brunos to a greater extent. 

 

 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

Literally no excuse for not qualifying for Europe this season with us having a far lighter schedule than most the teams we are competing against for those positions.

 

If we don't qualify for a 2nd year running I think he'll be sacked, and tbf he probably should be*.

 

*Obviously if we won the League Cup for example that changes everything.

 

Sorry for my tone but this is just such bollocks. There are six, maybe seven, European places available in league where the rules enable six specific, pre-determined teams to occupy them. Meanwhile the league is incredibly competitive with very expensively assembled squads, led by trophy-winning managers, in virtually all areas of the division. 

 

I believe that Newcastle United should be challenging for 'modern honours' as much as the next fan. But going on like those positions should rightfully be ours really does make for some shitty discussion. It's just over-expecting.

[DiddyLevine]

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad 

[Chris_R]

8 minutes ago, JEToon said:

We don’t play with a 10, that’s right, we have midfield runners who do a lot of unselfish work, Longstaff and Joelinton are a lot better at that and it users their strengths and Brunos to a greater extent.

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.