Eddie Howe

[Interpolic]

Tbf we had hundreds of kids who were ready for PL football waiting in the wings.  Criminal they were never used, is he stupid?

[timeEd32]

3 hours ago, andycap said:

Just like to have someone who can look at the players and choose the right formation to get the best out of them. And isn't so tactically limited. 

Tommy tuchel would've been perfect. 

 

Quoting you because it shows the point, but I've seen this a lot...

 

There's an assumption that by replacing Eddie we can fix his flaws while maintaining all of his qualities. What if we become more tactically flexible while regressing at player development, as one example. What people want is a unicorn of a manager.

[Lush Vlad]

46 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I can't really get past what is undebatably the worst injury crisis the football club's had in my 30 odd years supporting it - the worst of any team last season in terms of days, one of the worst in terms of numbers, first team members, seperate injuries etc having injury crisis put in quotation marks.

 

 

 

[timeEd32]

[JEToon]

3 hours ago, wyn davies said:

Get rid, time to move on.If he remains here through the transfer window and we don't move on then forget Europe. He never learns from his mistakes , doesn't appear to have any in game ideas, sorry but not for me.

 

have you actually watched us this season, there are several examples of us changing for the better during games 

 

 

[The Butcher]

44 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We had 41 separate injuries like. To my mind the only one that they fucked up on, apparently based on dubious medical advice, was Botman.

Isak, Willock, Joelinton, Wilson as well. Probably more. All brought back before they were ready.

[Matt1892]

When was the last time we won 3 league games in a row? There hasn’t been any sort of consistency in our league performances for well over a year now.

 

European football should be the minimum expected of him to remain as manager here, but if there are doubts about his long term suitability for the role then he shouldn’t have any say on transfers in January.

EDIT - Brentford(H) Sheffield United(A) and Burnley(H) in September 2023.

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Matt1892

[Matt1892]

5 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Isak, Willock, Joelinton, Wilson as well. Probably more. All brought back before they were ready.

He also played an injured Longstaff over Miley, which was a disaster.

[Erikse]

54 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We had 41 separate injuries like. To my mind the only one that they fucked up on, apparently based on dubious medical advice, was Botman.

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Erikse

[AyeDubbleYoo]

15 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

 

 

Wanting to maximise performance and make improvements doesn't mean Eddie Howe drove our players into early graves by asking them to run.

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 hours ago, wyn davies said:

Get rid, time to move on.If he remains here through the transfer window and we don't move on then forget Europe. He never learns from his mistakes , doesn't appear to have any in game ideas, sorry but not for me.

 

Maybe my memory isn't great but didn't his in game ideas turn the game around in our favour against Forest?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

Playing clearly injured/knackered/unfit players contributed to that crisis mind.

 

If all your players are injured it might be slightly difficult to give everyone the week off. Unless we just started skipping matches or something. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 hours ago, Sean said:

Yes. Unless we know for an absolute fact that there was nothing Eddie could have done differently in order to avoid having such an injury crisis. Players being rushed back and breaking down after a few minutes on the pitch ring any bells?

 

Let's not just pretend he is perfect eh.

 

Who did he rush back for them to get injured only a few minutes on the pitch? (Please don't say Murphy)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

PS Great to have this debate again

[Roids]

I still don't and never will understand Longstaff over Tonali. 

Willock unfortunately hasn't found his peak form post injury, would start Barnes over him.

Joe needs to be in midfield, he's the engine of our team, especially if he persists with playing Longstaff.

 

Most worryingly of all though is that the intensity we used to play with has been missing all year long.

Possibly a culmination of injuries, fatigue (mental or physical) or something else but the identity of the team of the last two years hasn't been there.

I believe the personnel we have as is, even with the deficiency at RW, DM & Botman missing, is good enough to mount a strong challenge for a top 6 spot given the lack of European football.

 

Generally, disappointing start to the season, needs to up the levels in the training ground

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Roids said:

I still don't and never will understand Longstaff over Tonali. 

Willock unfortunately hasn't found his peak form post injury, would start Barnes over him.

Joe needs to be in midfield, he's the engine of our team, especially if he persists with playing Longstaff.

 

Most worryingly of all though is that the intensity we used to play with has been missing all year long.

Possibly a culmination of injuries, fatigue (mental or physical) or something else but the identity of the team of the last two years hasn't been there.

I believe the personnel we have as is, even with the deficiency at RW, DM & Botman missing, is good enough to mount a strong challenge for a top 6 spot given the lack of European football.

 

Generally, disappointing start to the season, needs to up the levels in the training ground

 

We are challenging top 6 TBF, in fact we're challenging for 3rd. 

[Kid Icarus]

34 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

 

 

I think there are two possible answers. The first and most likely imo is that because it was a top-down decision made above Howe's head but Howe will nigh on always tow the line and take responsibility on these things (providing no one steps on his toes), regardless of his true feelings. The second is because there's a huge amount of difference between a few instances of the wrong decisions being made in a wider injury crisis of 41 seperate injuries and putting injury crisis in quotation marks and implying that it was all or largely self-inflicted. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Roids]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

We are challenging top 6 TBF, in fact we're challenging for 3rd. 

Losing to a poor West Ham side at home negates that.

Top 3 will likely be from City, Arsenal & Liverpool. 

We're in the mix with the rest (Villa, Spurs, Brighton, Fulham, Man U etc) but have shown nothing (on performances alone) to warrant be bullish about 3rd place.

[Erikse]

19 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Wanting to maximise performance and make improvements doesn't mean Eddie Howe drove our players into early graves by asking them to run.

 

No, but the timing of the appointment and his purpose wasn't a coincidence either. It was definetly a response to what happened last season.

[JEToon]

3 minutes ago, Roids said:

Losing to a poor West Ham side at home negates that.

Top 3 will likely be from City, Arsenal & Liverpool. 

We're in the mix with the rest (Villa, Spurs, Brighton, Fulham, Man U etc) but have shown nothing (on performances alone) to warrant be bullish about 3rd place.

 

The teams you have mentioned, their form and seasons they have been putting together is reason to have a bit of faith we can push for the top 5 

[Roids]

Just now, JEToon said:

 

The teams you have mentioned, their form and seasons they have been putting together is reason to have a bit of faith we can push for the top 5 

I said earlier, I believe we have the players to compete/push but the performances haven't been unconvincing.

I've seen what we look like when it's flowing but that just hasn't been there this season. 

[Erikse]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I think there are two possible answers. The first and most likely imo is that because it was a top-down decision made above Howe's head but Howe will nigh on always tow the line and take responsibility on these things (providing no one steps on his toes), regardless of his true feelings. The second is because there's a huge amount of difference between a few instances of the wrong decisions being made in a wider injury crisis of 41 seperate injuries and putting injury crisis in quotation marks and implying that it was all or largely self-inflicted. 

 

 

 

 

I agree that the crisis wasn't necessarily self inflicted, but when several of our players comes back for a week or two only for the same injury to reoccur (some of them twice or more), then I think Howes words means something when he talks about learning from the past on the topic of with being patient with players returning from injuries.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Erikse

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Roids said:

I said earlier, I believe we have the players to compete/push but the performances haven't been unconvincing.

I've seen what we look like when it's flowing but that just hasn't been there this season. 

 

I reckon you could go on the forum of any of those teams you mention and read the exact same assessment, we are pretty much in what is that chasing group form, evidenced by the table really. 

[Roids]

8 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

I reckon you could go on the forum of any of those teams you mention and read the exact same assessment, we are pretty much in what is that chasing group form, evidenced by the table really. 

imo just Villa, they've been below par for the most part. I've seen convincing Spurs (they're always up & down with Ange) , Fulham & Brighton performances multiple times this season. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Roids

[Lush Vlad]

9 minutes ago, Roids said:

imo just Villa, they've been below par for the most part. I've seen convincing Spurs (they're always up & down with Ange) , Fulham & Brighton performances multiple times this season. 

 

 

 

 

Fulham have just been beaten 4-1 at home by Wolves.  Brighton have put in some good performances and beat the likes of us and City and just won at Bournemouth which is a tough place to go.  All by the odd goal and had large spells of those games where they were lucky to stay level or ahead.  Our game in particular.   

 

The mighty Man City lost 5 in a row before last night and then blew a 3 goal lead to go 6 without a win.  Even Chelsea who are much improved, have been a bit up and down with their performances and some of their results.  

 

I get consistency is an issue with Howe and it is a concern that we seem to be repeating some of the same mistakes as previous seasons.  But you're making out like we're the only team in the chasing pack behind the usual top 3 with performance and consistency issues.  I'd imagine there is a reason the league is so tight this year.   

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Lush Vlad