Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

43 minutes ago, madras said:

First 4 games with a swathe of subs, I dont think anyone is too knacjered then? It didn't take knocks and injuries to play Barnes or Murphy, Longstaff for Tonali, rotating Isak and Wilson for league or Champions league was deliberate.

 

I'll take him task for not taking Trippier off at Wolves and even that's with hindsight, but outside if that there's little he's been able to do.

 

 

 

They aren’t too knackered then - and that’s the point.  You don’t wait until they are to start rotating them.  You avoid them becoming fatigued by rotating when they are fresh 

[El Prontonise]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They aren’t too knackered then - and that’s the point.  You don’t wait until they are to start rotating them.  You avoid them becoming fatigued by rotating when they are fresh 

 

That was Rafa's way.

[madras]

19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They aren’t too knackered then - and that’s the point.  You don’t wait until they are to start rotating them.  You avoid them becoming fatigued by rotating when they are fresh 

He did when he could given  Willock was already out and Longstaff playing his way back after injury. Add in the heavy use of subs, like last season, it's not like the whole team was slogging through a full 90 for those 4 games which were a week apart.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by madras

[Zero]

I think people in general underestimated the impact of “fatigue” on the effectiveness of Howe’s plan A tactics.

 

We all had given huge praise to Howe, especially on his ability to bring out the best of our players. Players like Almiron is, genuinely speaking, just relegation team standards. The reason why he can play so well under Howe is because Howe makes a system that, if every players are willing to run and cover as a team, maintain a very high intensity of pressure, then we can beat teams with players much better than ours. 
 

What if the players are unable to keep their work rate and coverage on the pitch? The answer is out there already. Fucking obvious. Yesterdays Woods third goal - yes he did make a good run but, why would that pass happen in the first place? Look at the space we gave to their defenders.

 

That’s the result of fatigue. We simply cannot run the tactics after 30 mins. Whether you want to blame Howe or Lady Luck or not it’s up to you.

 

To me, if the system simply doesn’t work with a fatigued squad, then either change it or use fresh players. I would even give it a go to use reserves / youth players as long as they can run for 90 mins.

[TheBrownBottle]

58 minutes ago, Zero said:

I think people in general underestimated the impact of “fatigue” on the effectiveness of Howe’s plan A tactics.

 

We all had given huge praise to Howe, especially on his ability to bring out the best of our players. Players like Almiron is, genuinely speaking, just relegation team standards. The reason why he can play so well under Howe is because Howe makes a system that, if every players are willing to run and cover as a team, maintain a very high intensity of pressure, then we can beat teams with players much better than ours. 
 

What if the players are unable to keep their work rate and coverage on the pitch? The answer is out there already. Fucking obvious. Yesterdays Woods third goal - yes he did make a good run but, why would that pass happen in the first place? Look at the space we gave to their defenders.

 

That’s the result of fatigue. We simply cannot run the tactics after 30 mins. Whether you want to blame Howe or Lady Luck or not it’s up to you.

 

To me, if the system simply doesn’t work with a fatigued squad, then either change it or use fresh players. I would even give it a go to use reserves / youth players as long as they can run for 90 mins.

I agree that fatigue means that Howe’s play style doesn’t work, but I think the third comes as much from a lack of shape in defence and midfield - and Dubravka’s inability to play sweeper - as it does fatigue. 

[Guest]

Pardew, Bruce, McClaren get a lucky win out of nowhere in one of the next two league games to buy them some time when we used to be hoping for a defeat to see the end of them.

 

Now we have a manager we like I don't see him getting the same luck.

 

We're going to be around 10-11th after the next 3 league games. I still think we'll get into the top 7 by the end of the season once players come back and we can freshen things up more. 

[KingArthur]

Everyone wants us to sign DM, and me too, but I think Howe will not see it like that sadly. Bruno will be the deepest of the midfield and centrally all the time, and dont think he has the legs to play no8 in this Howe’s system. I would play him as a left sided 8, with Longstaff or Miley now at right. DM has to be very good passer, and that would help change Burn to more attacking left back. 

[Groundhog63]

12 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Everyone wants us to sign DM, and me too, but I think Howe will not see it like that sadly. Bruno will be the deepest of the midfield and centrally all the time, and dont think he has the legs to play no8 in this Howe’s system. I would play him as a left sided 8, with Longstaff or Miley now at right. DM has to be very good passer, and that would help change Burn to more attacking left back. 

[Groundhog63]

"mong" "buffoon" <\>  "dumb cunts"? 

 

Asking for a friend ??

[Groundhog63]

The sun shines out of Eddie's arse. Not saying he can't make mistakes or anything but the man is a legend, at this club, in the making. 

Like the board said, we jumped the shark too early and this season was always going to be difficult. Losing Tonali, as we did, then a string of injuries unparalleled by any other team just compounded that struggle. 

I've absolutely no doubt the owner's/board's ambitions have reflected that. 

Some "fans" on the other hand are like a bloke who's been married to an ugly woman for 30 years that refused to suck him off, even once. He's finally binned her off, had a few years in the wilderness then copped off with a gorgeous model and demands a blow job on the second date. 

It's irrelevant what's gone before, patience. 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Groundhog63

[PeepShow4life]

Crazy the amount of people who resort to personal insults if someone doesn't share their opinion about anything, let alone a very subjective topic like football. 

[Groundhog63]

8 minutes ago, PeepShow4life said:

Crazy the amount of people who resort to personal insults if someone doesn't share their opinion about anything, let alone a very subjective topic like football. 

 

I did some time, for the crime, and spent it reflecting on the reality that N-O isn't Skunkers ?

I'm like a new man..........ish

[Froggy]

Mental reading this thread as an outsider.

 

My thoughts:

 

Are you in poor form? Yes.

Is fatigue/injuries to blame? Yes.

Should Howe also take blame? Yes.

Should Howe be sacked? Only if you're a fucking mentalist. 

 

The guy took over a relegation threatened side and has had four windows, one of which you were signing players like Chris Wood just to stay up. We realistically shouldn't even be talking about Newcastle breaking into the top four yet, yet you finished fourth in his first full season in charge.

 

He's a victim of his own success.

[BGRM]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Mental reading this thread as an outsider.

 

My thoughts:

 

Are you in poor form? Yes.

Is fatigue/injuries to blame? Yes.

Should Howe also take blame? Yes.

Should Howe be sacked? Only if you're a fucking mentalist. 

 

The guy took over a relegation threatened side and has had four windows, one of which you were signing players like Chris Wood just to stay up. We realistically shouldn't even be talking about Newcastle breaking into the top four yet, yet you finished fourth in his first full season in charge.

 

He's a victim of his own success.

It's bad reading this thread as an insider as well. I agree with your thoughts. I'm going to enjoy the rest of my holidays, so will give this thread a wide berth. 

[High Five o]

Such a mental take to suggest replacing Howe at this stage.

First real dip in form after the worst injury crisis I can remember.

 

Going by some posters here and X it looks like we should change managers every 6 months. I am sure they would call for Peps head if we where in manc situation as well?

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Such a mental take to suggest replacing Howe at this stage.

First real dip in form after the worst injury crisis I can remember.

 

Going by some posters here and X it looks like we should change managers every 6 months. I am sure they would call for Peps head if we where in manc situation as well?

 

 

Since Allardyce, every manager has had an easy ride from match-goers (other than when Pardew was made to sit back down one game) so you'd like to think inside the ground he's given time.

 

Would be absolutely bollocks if the fans who sat on their arses saying nowt through the dark days, pipe up now when we've never had it as good in the last 20 years.

 

Social media, forums, etc is a different kettle of fish. 

[Displayname]

10 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

For the people saying it’s Howe’s fault they are burned out, what would you have done differently ? Genuine question, because other than swapping a fullback what other options has he had ?

I wouldnt use anyone from the A-team in the league cup the first year we entered champions league.

I would fill the squad up with only players he can actually use before the season started.

I would give youngsters opportunities when it turned out we had a lot of injuries instead of playing Almiron, Gordon, Trippier etc 2x90mins a week.

This has only resulted in them being shit in every game. 

[ExiledGeordie]

18 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Since Allardyce, every manager has had an easy ride from match-goers (other than when Pardew was made to sit back down one game) so you'd like to think inside the ground he's given time.

 

Would be absolutely bollocks if the fans who sat on their arses saying nowt through the dark days, pipe up now when we've never had it as good in the last 20 years.

 

Social media, forums, etc is a different kettle of fish. 

It is mental that anyone could honestly seriously think he needs moving on right now in probably his first real crisis point with a severe dip in form coupled with a load of injuries. He’ll get the rest of this season at absolutely the very least and probably next season. 

 

That being said some of the stuff yesterday was odd in terms of how the game was managed with tactics, the mismatch of Burn v Elanga, how open our midfield was, playing such a high line against Forest when we were getting done for pace. We also look devoid of ideas in the final 3rd at the moment and it’s like he’s struggling to find a plan B to manage the situation. The midfield needs sorting particular as the defence looks so shaky. If they’re not going to buy a defensive midfielder someone needs to do that role more obviously for me. We’re getting completely overrun in misfield at the moment. 
 

I do think January is very important to freshen things up a bit and give him some more options as well as keeping the other players on their toes particular as injured players don’t look like they’re back until well into or the end of next month. It looks like the Derby is now becoming a key fixture because if he loses that it really could bring the mood of the club right down for the rest of the season which might mean a grim hangover.

 

He's absolutely earned the right for patience from the fans and board given what he’s done already but constructive criticism is also perfectly fair looking at recent results. 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by ExiledGeordie

[JoeyBartoon]

I’ll be concerned if the form continues when there’s only 1 game a week, however I’m convinced things will start to turn around once we get through all these games and there’s a bigger gaps between games for players to rest.

 

Considering there’s been a game every 3-5 days I do think Howe has been pretty naive in expecting the same players to execute the high-risk tactical strategy with fatigued players. It reminds me so much of what Bielsa did at Leeds, and we know how that ended. 

He’s been dealt an awful card re injuries etc but he probably needed to come up with a different approach for the amount of games there has been. The Liverpool game will be brutal if he adopts the same strategy. Personally, I’d like to see keep it tight and just frustrate them. 
 

That said, I’m desperate for Howe to learn from it. He’s been wonderful for this club and I actually enjoy watching the games now. He’s been a massive success and is quite easily the best english manager around.
 

I’m hoping everyone can get behind him but admit it that will test a lot of people if we don’t win at the mackems 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by JoeyBartoon

[ExiledGeordie]

3 minutes ago, JoeyBartoon said:

I’ll be concerned if the form continues when there’s only 1 game a week, however I’m convinced things will start to turn around once we get through all these games and there’s a bigger gaps between games for players to rest.

 

Considering there’s been a game every 3-5 days I do think Howe has been pretty naive in expecting the same players to execute the high-risk tactical strategy with fatigued players. It reminds me so much of what Bielsa did at Leeds, and we know how that ended. 

He’s been dealt an awful card re injuries etc but he probably needed to come up with a different approach for the amount of games there has been. The Liverpool game will be brutal if he adopts the same strategy. Personally, I’d like to see keep it tight and just frustrate them. 
 

That said, I’m desperate for Howe to learn from it. He’s been wonderful for this club and I actually enjoy watching the games now. He’s been a massive success and is quite easily the best english manager around.
 

I’m hoping everyone can get behind him but admit it that will test a lot of people if we don’t win at the mackems 

 

 

 

 

 

He looks almost as jaded as the players on the sidelines at the moment. As you say I think the extra training time now will be vital to work on things going wrong. If they can beat the Mackems, give everyone a lift, get a few Jan signings in and some players back things will turn I’m confident. 

[STM]

51 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Mental reading this thread as an outsider.

 

My thoughts:

 

Are you in poor form? Yes.

Is fatigue/injuries to blame? Yes.

Should Howe also take blame? Yes.

Should Howe be sacked? Only if you're a fucking mentalist. 

 

The guy took over a relegation threatened side and has had four windows, one of which you were signing players like Chris Wood just to stay up. We realistically shouldn't even be talking about Newcastle breaking into the top four yet, yet you finished fourth in his first full season in charge.

 

He's a victim of his own success.

 

It takes a fucking Man United fan to be the voice of reason. 

 

You lot should be ashamed.

 

Thankfully, it's a moron minority.

[Froggy]

Just now, STM said:

 

It takes a fucking Man United fan to be the voice of reason. 

 

You lot should be ashamed.

 

Thankfully, it's a moron minority.

 

We're in a similar enough situation I feel. It's easy to resonate.

[Displayname]

Its a tiny minority calling for him to be sacked. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Displayname said:

Its a tiny minority calling for him to be sacked. 

Yep.  Straw man nonsense.  I’ve not seen a single person on this thread calling for his head.  

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

 

It takes a fucking Man United fan to be the voice of reason. 

 

You lot should be ashamed.

 

Thankfully, it's a moron minority.

Sorry, who is ‘you lot’?  From Froggy’s post:

 

’My thoughts:

 

Are you in poor form? Yes.

Is fatigue/injuries to blame? Yes.

Should Howe also take blame? Yes.

Should Howe be sacked? Only if you're a fucking mentalist.’

 

That’s pretty much every post on here which has been critical of some aspects of Howe’s management.