Eddie Howe

[Aiston]

9 minutes ago, Cronky said:

We already have a world class manager.

 

We don't.

 

Potential is there though.

[thomas]

10 minutes ago, Cronky said:

We already have a world class manager.

I love him dearly and he’s really good but if Eddie is considered world class then the label has lost all meaning. 
 

 

[Matt1892]

12 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I love Callum but we missed the opportunity to let him go and book some FFP gains last summer. 
 

Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but players with extensive injury histories are a big drag on performance. 

I was suggesting getting rid of Wilson, Almiron and ASM in the summer. Peak resale value for all 3 and the club needed a new direction.

 

 

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

 

From 7:00 minutes.

 

The owners fully back Howe, in it for the long haul with Eddie, and believe he's the man to take the club forward and will stick together ❤️  cheers Keith

 

"unequivocally backed" Staveley 

 

 

 

Kiss of death.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I was suggesting getting rid of Wilson, Almiron and ASM in the summer. Peak resale value for all 3 and the club needed a new direction.

 

 

IMO this would've been CRAZY.

 

You get no more than £20m for Wilson or Almiron. It would cost £30m just to replace as squad members each. I think that sends the wrong message too.

 

Almiron needed to be upgraded though.

[hakka]

All this peak FFP resale stuff I really think isn't helpful or entirely as accurate and as simple as people suggest. You have to replace a player with one of equal or better quality, but it will cost you more than what your selling. Our issue isn't the quality of 1st team, its the depth of it with quality. Even more so complicated with several legacy players on high wages and no way to sell on.

[Matt1892]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

IMO this would've been CRAZY.

 

You get no more than £20m for Wilson or Almiron. It would cost £30m just to replace as squad members each. I think that sends the wrong message too.

 

Almiron needed to be upgraded though.

That isn’t how FFP works though.

 

We had reached a position where we had our hands tied due to being at the end of the 3 year FFP period but had more money coming in down the line, so selling was the only way of releasing that money early.

[hakka]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

IMO this would've been CRAZY.

 

You get no more than £20m for Wilson or Almiron. It would cost £30m just to replace as squad members each. I think that sends the wrong message too.

 

Almiron needed to be upgraded though.

 

 

Almiron should have been second fiddle this season to a class RW/RF, the fact he is first choice again isn't his fault. He has a role for us, it just isn't evey week across multiple competitions.

 

We opted to double up on LW/LF side and guess we needed it with Barnes injury, but we badly need that equivolance or better the other side.

[hakka]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

That isn’t how FFP works though.

 

We had reached a position where we had our hands tied due to being at the end of the 3 year FFP period but had more money coming in down the line, so selling was the only way of releasing that money early.

 

And unlocking money now only locks it later down the line. I swear people talk like selling and buying is so easy and is some FFP trick, but if it was that simple eveyone would be doing it. Only clubs I can think of that have sort of done it is Chelsea (and arguably has been done badly) or Forest (and its been risky and not always worked out i.e. Shelvey).

[Matt1892]

We do not need Almiron, Murphy and another wide player. That isn’t even including Minteh coming in at a later date.

 

You move on either Almiron or Murphy, financially it would make sense for it to be Almiron after the season over inflated his value. Then when Minteh comes in you move on Murphy

[Matt1892]

Just now, hakka said:

 

And unlocking money now only locks it later down the line. I swear people talk like selling and buying is so easy and is some FFP trick, but if it was that simple eveyone would be doing it. Only clubs I can think of that have sort of done it is Chelsea (and arguably has been done badly) or Forest (and it’s been risky and not always worked out i.e. Shelvey).

Other clubs are not in the same position that we are in though, our situation is quite unique.

[HawK]

Imo, the most recent example of a club breaking into and staying amongst the top teams is Spurs. 

 

To become a sustainably there-or-there-abouts team they sold Bale, Modric, Berbatov as part of the journey to name a few off just off the top of my head. That's how FFP is going to work for us, if we want the squad to get stronger and stronger in all positions, there might come a time when we just have to accept we might not be able to keep our current stars and we'll lose the likes of Bruno, Isak, Botman to fuel the growth and to reinvest to become established at the highest levels. 

 

To have a sustainable trajectory that takes us upwards, unless there's a way around FFP to directly inject money in, we'll have to sell these sorts of players at their maximum value and continue to find replacement players with the potential to grow with us in turn, thus increasing the overall squad value over time which will reflect in more points on the board at the end of each season.

 

We don't have the base level of squad quality outside our stars to sustain a galacticos-style approach to transfer strategy. Buying more players like Hall, Livramento and Gordon is definitely the way forward. We're just in a painful period at the moment where nothing is going right, but 2 years after the change in ownership from where we were to where we are now, all things considered, the trend line is definitely going firmly in the right direction.

 

No better manager for me than Eddie Howe at this stage of our journey. And maybe, even beyond.

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

That isn’t how FFP works though.

 

We had reached a position where we had our hands tied due to being at the end of the 3 year FFP period but had more money coming in down the line, so selling was the only way of releasing that money early.

Summer 2023 Wilson had  £5m worth of FFP cost (based on a 4-year contract and £20m fee from Bournemouth) remaining and let's say £4m in wages p/a. Sell him for £20m that's (20-5) + 4. £19m FFP on the books.

 

Sign his replacement for £32m on a 4-year deal. Probably not a proven 10-15 goal PL striker to boot. Another 4m in wages p/a. That's £12m FFP on the books for 4 years. We only save £7m in FFP for a year.

 

As it stands we extended his contract by 2 years. So he's now booking £2.5m +£4m in wages p/a. That's 6.5m for 2 years rather than the £12m for 4 years for what is likely an unknown quantity with not the highest repute.

 

Keeping him and extending him was the right thing to do unless we could've got £30m+ for him.

 

Obviously I'm guessing his wages. Can't imagine he's earning much more than a million more or less per year.

[The College Dropout]

17 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

And unlocking money now only locks it later down the line. I swear people talk like selling and buying is so easy and is some FFP trick, but if it was that simple eveyone would be doing it. Only clubs I can think of that have sort of done it is Chelsea (and arguably has been done badly) or Forest (and its been risky and not always worked out i.e. Shelvey).

And Forest sold Brennan their crown jewel. And will probably need to sell MGW next season.

 

18 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

We do not need Almiron, Murphy and another wide player. That isn’t even including Minteh coming in at a later date.

 

You move on either Almiron or Murphy, financially it would make sense for it to be Almiron after the season over inflated his value. Then when Minteh comes in you move on Murphy

You don't get serious money for Almiron or Murphy to help out with FFP significantly. You sell one to clear a squad place.

 

At the start of last season - I don't think we get a fee for either Murphy or Almiron. Given their ages and wages - you don't get much over £10m either unless Forest come calling.

[hakka]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Summer 2023 Wilson had  £5m worth of FFP cost (based on a 4-year contract and £20m fee from Bournemouth) remaining and let's say £4m in wages p/a. Sell him for £20m that's (20-5) + 4. £19m FFP on the books.

 

Sign his replacement for £32m on a 4-year deal. Probably not a proven 10-15 goal PL striker to boot. Another 4m in wages p/a. That's £12m FFP on the books for 4 years. We only save £7m in FFP for a year.

 

As it stands we extended his contract by 2 years. So he's now booking £2.5m +£4m in wages p/a. That's 6.5m for 2 years rather than the £12m for 4 years for what is likely an unknown quantity with not the highest repute.

 

Keeping him and extending him was the right thing to do unless we could've got £30m+ for him.

 

Obviously I'm guessing his wages. Can't imagine he's earning much more than a million more or less per year.

 

This is how I see it. This FFP selling stuff only works if you can sell an older first team asset for way over its value and bring in younger at same quality (or better) for cheaper fee/wages, which is incredibly difficult and rare, and no doubt why we haven't. 

[Cf]

35 minutes ago, thomas said:

I love him dearly and he’s really good but if Eddie is considered world class then the label has lost all meaning. 
 

 

 

I mean the only manager who I'd give that label to is Guardiola. And I still look at what Howe managed to achieve in saving us and getting us to 4th the following season. Would Guardiola have managed it? I don't think it's nailed on he would.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not downplaying managers of his calibre. And you wouldn't trust just anyone to do the job at the level he's doing but there's a certain amount of they're getting to play at the big boys table which naturally puts a shine on them.

[Matt1892]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

And Forest sold Brennan their crown jewel. And will probably need to sell MGW next season.

 

You don't get serious money for Almiron or Murphy to help out with FFP significantly. You sell one to clear a squad place.

 

At the start of last season - I don't think we get a fee for either Murphy or Almiron. Given their ages and wages - you don't get much over £10m either unless Forest come calling.

I thought it was clear that I meant that you would sell one or the other for a squad place when I said that you wouldn’t buy another and keep both. Realistically we could have got £30 million for Almiron last summer from Saudi after the season he had which could have gone towards buying an improved first team player to help take us to the next level.

[hakka]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

I thought it was clear that I meant that you would sell one or the other for a squad place when I said that you wouldn’t buy another and keep both. Realistically we could have got £30 million for Almiron last summer from Saudi after the season he had which could have gone towards buying an improved first team player to help take us to the next level.

 

But they didn't come bidding so its moot.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I thought it was clear that I meant that you would sell one or the other for a squad place when I said that you wouldn’t buy another and keep both. Realistically we could have got £30 million for Almiron last summer from Saudi after the season he had which could have gone towards buying an improved first team player to help take us to the next level.

£30m to Saudi for Almiron is not passing the fair value metrics from the PL. 

 

We got less for someone who was considered our star player for 3 seasons.  Like these things do matter in the real world. 

 

 

 

Edited January 3 by The College Dropout

[Matt1892]

Just now, hakka said:

 

But they didn't come bidding so it’s a moot.

Do you think Al-Ahli came bidding for ASM or do you think it was orchestrated?

[Matt1892]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

£30m to Saudi for Almiron is not passing the fair value metrics from the PL. 

 

 

His value was higher than ASM’s back in the summer so I don’t see there being any issue at all.

[The Prophet]

@TBG Last paragraph, it's finally getting traction...

 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

His value was higher than ASM’s back in the summer so I don’t see there being any issue at all.

I don’t agree. People in football are stupid but not that stupid. 

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

@TBG Last paragraph, it's finally getting traction...

 

This is funny. 

[Kanj]

Need to sell Almiron before Murphy imho. Minteh will be with us next season. Need then decide if selling Murphy and buying a top class RW is the way to go or if we’re going to loan out Minteh one more time, which means you keep the Murph…unless he is more than keen to stay on. I like him as he’s versatile as all hell, direct, pacy, strong, can do set pieces and very smart in the press. 

[The College Dropout]

17 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

I mean the only manager who I'd give that label to is Guardiola. And I still look at what Howe managed to achieve in saving us and getting us to 4th the following season. Would Guardiola have managed it? I don't think it's nailed on he would.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not downplaying managers of his calibre. And you wouldn't trust just anyone to do the job at the level he's doing but there's a certain amount of they're getting to play at the big boys table which naturally puts a shine on them.

You don't think Ancelotti, Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, Simeone - managers that have won multiple league titles and other Cups aren't world class?

 

Below that you have your De Zerbi's, Xabi Alonso's who seem destined to get an opportunity at one of the mega clubs sooner or later. Alonso might even do the Rafa, Mourinho, Simeone & Klopp thing of winning major titles against the establishment.