Eddie Howe

[TRon]

Just now, Kanj said:

 

Sandro, Sandro, Sandro. Just play Sandro there. 

 

 

Seems the obvious choice since he did really well there in the cup win over Chelsea.

[CallumG6]

6 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

Edin Terzić would be my my choice if they ever do the unthinkable and have to move on from Eddie. 

 

Agree. And also would be a realistic option, given his share price has dropped a bit since being given the boot by BVB.

 

[joeyt]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Shelvey used to sit at the base of midfield when Bruno first came in.

 

That only really changed after Shelvey left.

 

Bruno played at the base of midfield in the 4th place season despite Shelvey being here for the first half of that

[timeEd32]

I think we win that exact game more often than not and, not surprisingly, the reaction is over the top. But two related things concern me about last night:

 

1) Piggybacking on a point @KaKa has made, why was his first move with Willock coming off to put Joelinton in the midfield and go back to something that really hasn't worked all season?

 

2) After the second goal, why did he think we had to get out of our preferred formation into something we're clearly not comfortable playing?

 

There are so many variations we could try within our preferred system that get Tonali on the pitch and that keeps Joelinton further forward. There are aspects of Tonali's game that could mimic what Willock does. Just bring him on and do more of the same. Don't like that idea? Then bring Tonali on as the 6 and move Bruno forward. Down 2-0 you could even try Longstaff as the 6 because what's to lose and try to get both Bruno and Tonali closer to goal. Or put Hall as the 6 in that scenario and do the Tripppier/Tino change we did anyway.

 

I'm quite certain any of these would have yielded more coherent play and better chances than whatever that god awful 4-4-2/4-5-1 with Gordon holding Barnes' hand was.

[JEToon]

36 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

He doesn't have to be a 10 just to not be a 4.

 

Who do you think our "10" is now? We don't have one. We have a 4 in Bruno (Or a 6 if you're younger, maybe) and two central midfielders ahead of him. I'm not proposing he plays just behind the striker, I'm suggesting he simply swaps with one of the other 2 immediately ahead of him.

 

Part of the problem with missing out a big chunk of the rest of a post I suppose.

 

We don’t play with a 10, that’s right, we have midfield runners who do a lot of unselfish work, Longstaff and Joelinton are a lot better at that and it users their strengths and Brunos to a greater extent. 

 

 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

Literally no excuse for not qualifying for Europe this season with us having a far lighter schedule than most the teams we are competing against for those positions.

 

If we don't qualify for a 2nd year running I think he'll be sacked, and tbf he probably should be*.

 

*Obviously if we won the League Cup for example that changes everything.

 

Sorry for my tone but this is just such bollocks. There are six, maybe seven, European places available in league where the rules enable six specific, pre-determined teams to occupy them. Meanwhile the league is incredibly competitive with very expensively assembled squads, led by trophy-winning managers, in virtually all areas of the division. 

 

I believe that Newcastle United should be challenging for 'modern honours' as much as the next fan. But going on like those positions should rightfully be ours really does make for some shitty discussion. It's just over-expecting.

[DiddyLevine]

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad 

[Chris_R]

8 minutes ago, JEToon said:

We don’t play with a 10, that’s right, we have midfield runners who do a lot of unselfish work, Longstaff and Joelinton are a lot better at that and it users their strengths and Brunos to a greater extent.

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.

[JEToon]

6 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.

 

I would argue against Everton, Brighton and even to a certain extent West Ham it did “work” the chances were there to win those games, or in the case of last night put us in a place to win it.

 

I am not sold on the idea placing a player further up the park with next to no record of goals and assists will massively add to the number of goals we score personally. We have played games with a visibly half fit forward, a make shift forward, it isn't a great shock our goal return isn't that great 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by JEToon

[Chris_R]

For me it's at least as much about what he can create for others. We've looked our best in previous seasons when he's been allowed to get further forward. But I'll agree to disagree, we've both made our points so I'll leave it there.

[54]

12 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad 

[54]

I see we're at the "Compare the manager to literal Hitler" stage of a post Newcastle United loss  

[Jagten]

40 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

Sandro, Sandro, Sandro. Just play Sandro there. 

He's not especially press resistant and his ball progression isn't good enough. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yes but it isn't working.

 

If we were banging the goals in then fair enough, but we're not. Something fundamental needs to change further up the pitch because we're toothless. We're one of the lowest scoring sides in the league.

 

This is the conumdrum though. If we aren't a high scoring side, then the logical thing would be to make sure we don't concede goals easily. But the high press all action style we play is geared towards scoring goals not preventing them.

[Abacus]

I feel we played ok without being great until the second goal went in. Both goals weren't great defensively but the second really sucked the life out of us.

 

A few flat performances didn't help and I'm not sure what the answer to that is. The subs didn't really work and by the end we could have played all night and still not scored.

 

The last couple of transfer windows have really hurt us - I understand the financial reasons for that, but we're juggling an unbalanced squad around trying to make things fit. A wee bit deflated after that game to be honest,  and also with this stop start season with all the international breaks.

 

Tonali not starting or seemingly having a clear role is a bit of a mystery, Barnes being in and out, reliance on Burn since Kelly is a back up really, Gordon not being quite on it, Isak still isolated, not having the benefit of a fit and on form Trippier ... a few things for Howe to look at for sure.

 

But I'm going to have a cup of tea and a biscuit, we're still in the cup and not too far adrift, so there's that.

[Ben]

17 minutes ago, 54 said:

I see we're at the "Compare the manager to literal Hitler" stage of a post Newcastle United loss  

 

If that's a thing, we need to copy someone like Genghis Khan he must of had some kick ass tactics 

[Jagten]

I think we've actually got quite a bit better in recent weeks after starting the season looking like we were headed back to being not very good.  

[80]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Your first sentence is the key here. Absolutely no one realistically out there we could get even if we did need to make a change.

I agree it looks that way superficially, but there are an array of competent youngish managers out there nowadays. Not saying it's the right thing to do - I'm certainly nervous of a switch - but it's not out of the question the club could bring in someone we've never heard of who turns out great.

[80]

1 hour ago, Kanj said:

 

Edin Terzić would be my my choice if they ever do the unthinkable and have to move on from Eddie. 

I'm interested in him too. I was really impressed with the number they did on us last year, and I like what I've read about him. But I'm aware of people who follow Germany a lot more closely than me saying there were good reasons for getting rid of him.

[Erikse]

18 minutes ago, Jagten said:

I think we've actually got quite a bit better in recent weeks after starting the season looking like we were headed back to being not very good.  

 

Looks weird this way, on this graph it looks like we started the season very well performance wise, and then dropped off. But since it's a 10 game average, then the first few games of this season are hugely impacted by the final games of last season. So the reality of this season is the other way around from what the graph is showing.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Erikse

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Sorry for my tone but this is just such bollocks. There are six, maybe seven, European places available in league where the rules enable six specific, pre-determined teams to occupy them. Meanwhile the league is incredibly competitive with very expensively assembled squads, led by trophy-winning managers, in virtually all areas of the division. 

 

I believe that Newcastle United should be challenging for 'modern honours' as much as the next fan. But going on like those positions should rightfully be ours really does make for some shitty discussion. It's just over-expecting.

 

Haha no problem Yorkie! Sorry like but if we've gone from 4th to 8th to once again not qualifying for Europe then clearly the club isn't headed in the right trajectory and we should be looking at a new approach.

 

There were valid reasons for last seasons downturn but the results this season have been pretty poor and a lot of the performances uninspiring. We look a million miles away from the team of 2 seasons ago.

 

If we finish outside the European places and don't win a cup I think they'll get rid, and he should have no complaints about that either.

[Sempiternal]

The transfer window is more responsible for that than Eddie. Buying a striker that can barely get on the pitch for 5 mins, Kelly who is very very average. No improvement in the first team. Stand still you go backwards 

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Haha no problem Yorkie! Sorry like but if we've gone from 4th to 8th to once again not qualifying for Europe then clearly the club isn't headed in the right trajectory and we should be looking at a new approach.

 

There were valid reasons for last seasons downturn but the results this season have been pretty poor and a lot of the performances uninspiring. We look a million miles away from the team of 2 seasons ago.

 

If we finish outside the European places and don't win a cup I think they'll get rid, and he should have no complaints about that either.

 

I more-or-less agree with everything you've said there, I just think there's plenty of 'excuses' (to use your word) for why we might not finish in Europe again, should that happen. It's a very difficult league to be successful in for lots of reasons. I do accept that it might not fly with the owners, depending on what their ambitions are. 

 

We finished 7th last season btw; a point at Stamford Bridge away from European football. Fuck, if Coventry's legitimate winner in the FA Cup semi counted, even then we'd be in Europe now. Such were the fine margins. I think it's harsh to summarise last season as us going backwards when it was basically impossible to improve on 22/23. We were actually really unlucky tbh. 

[HaydnNUFC]

10 minutes ago, Sempiternal said:

The transfer window is more responsible for that than Eddie. Buying a striker that can barely get on the pitch for 5 mins, Kelly who is very very average. No improvement in the first team. Stand still you go backwards 

 

Arguably the summer window before that has played a bigger role given we brought in close to £150m worth of talent which didn't particularly improve the starting XI from 2022-23 and at present only 1 of those players (Hall) is consistently starting and playing well. Howe would've had a huge say in that window.

 

This territory has been gone over before, mind. But its incredibly valid imo.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by HaydnNUFC

[nufc123]

1 hour ago, DiddyLevine said:

WW2 .

Hitler enjoyed much success with his high energy blitzkrieg press

Hitler ran aground when it came to the low block of Stalingrad