Eddie Howe

[OverThere]

The riddle of how to train and travel to Europe almost every week has not been solved. I'm not exactly sure if the solution...I suppose copy your rivals who have been successful is a starting point. What do Man C do?

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, OverThere said:

The riddle of how to train and travel to Europe almost every week has not been solved. I'm not exactly sure if the solution...I suppose copy your rivals who have been successful is a starting point. What do Man C do?

 

Bend the rules 115 times.

[OverThere]

5 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Bend the rules 115 times.

It's a bit more complex than that..what do they do travel and training wise? Do they use an entirely different group and leave the second group back home training?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Surely they just have a greater number of better players. And a possession-based style which protects them from having to work too hard off the ball. 

 

People like Gvardiol could probably play every day with the amount of running they have to do

 

Of course you're right there will be things to learn from clubs with much more experience in these types of campaign. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Geordie Ahmed]

43 minutes ago, OverThere said:

The riddle of how to train and travel to Europe almost every week has not been solved. I'm not exactly sure if the solution...I suppose copy your rivals who have been successful is a starting point. What do Man C do?

 

Not checked in recent seasons but what Pep at his best would do is rotate regularly but not do too much at once

 

So for example he would have his starting eleven, in game 5 he would be rest 2-3 players at most, for game 6 they come back in and then another 1-2 rest, those players come back in for game 7 and then on and on he goes

 

This makes sure players don't overload but at the same time his changes aren't so dramatic that it disrupts the side too much 

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, OverThere said:

The riddle of how to train and travel to Europe almost every week has not been solved. I'm not exactly sure if the solution...I suppose copy your rivals who have been successful is a starting point. What do Man C do?

Get taken over before PSR was a thing and also bend the rules (allegedly) to mean they can keep spending beyond their means. 
 

Which then means they have a squad littered with world class talent, along with a much better academy setup than ourselves. Something we should be addressing if we’re not already. 
 

They have what? A couple of elite players for every position? Look at the squad depth for City and Arsenal for example vs ourselves. City could put out 2 different XI’s capable of competing for the top 4-5. 
 

We’re not the first and won’t be the last ‘smaller’ club that struggles with a European and a domestic campaign. Howe hasn’t really experienced this, either. You would like to hope with time and as the squad improves. He will become far better at it. 
 

Problem is. If we don’t get into a European competition next season. I’m not sure he will be around to try again. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Lush Vlad

[mayubeproud]

3 hours ago, Fak said:

 

Bend the rules 115 times.

Money is a factor but I think that is overstated. Liverpool under Klopp for example, especially during the early years, didn't spend that much and they were title contenders almost every year. They did splash on Van Dijk and Alisson when needed, but that was partially funded by the sale of Coutinho.

[Fak]

7 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Money is a factor but I think that is overstated. Liverpool under Klopp for example, especially during the early years, didn't spend that much and they were title contenders almost every year. They did splash on Van Dijk and Alisson when needed, but that was partially funded by the sale of Coutinho.

 

They also had Jurgen Klopp as manager which counts for a lot. 

[Geogaddi]

For all the Howe out nonsense I am still yet to see a realistic alternative mentioned for who we would get to replace him. We already have a better manager than Chelsea, Spurs and Man United and with them being 3 members of the so called big 6 it suggests to me a lack of genuine top class managers that are available anyway. I am not even sure Arteta is any better than Eddie either, he just has a seemingly unlimited budget and has spent probably double what we have and has them playing like the crazy gang 30 years ago.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Geogaddi

[mayubeproud]

Indeed I think the culture inside the club need to be upgraded that mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated.

 

Arsenal under Wenger's final years was an example. For years their club's hierarchy had a culture of finishing 4th or winning the domestic cups here and there is good enough. They used to blame rivals like Man Utd or Chelsea of splashing money to justify their mediocrity. Their manager made comments like '4th is a trophy' publicly. For more than a decade there was a feeling that Arsenal is a club in decline.

 

If we look at ourselves, I think there is a worrying parallel between us and that Arsenal side. That we are so used to blame on PSR to justify every failure. Being too satisfied about winning a domestic cup despite several long periods of bad performances in the league. Or being happy about just lucky enough to get a place in CL.

 

Most of the top players in top clubs earned their position there not only because they are talented, but they are serious and hard working. If we don't have that mentality and allow mediocrity, we won't be a top club. Chelsea and Man City got the rich ownership for sure, but they also got the likes of Mourinho and Mancini who demanded winning during their evolution.

[Geogaddi]

5 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Indeed I think the culture inside the club need to be upgraded that mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated.

 

Arsenal under Wenger's final years was an example. For years their club's hierarchy had a culture of finishing 4th or winning the domestic cups here and there is good enough. They used to blame rivals like Man Utd or Chelsea of splashing money to justify their mediocrity. Their manager made comments like '4th is a trophy' publicly. For more than a decade there was a feeling that Arsenal is a club in decline.

 

If we look at ourselves, I think there is a worrying parallel between us and that Arsenal side. That we are so used to blame on PSR to justify every failure. Being too satisfied about winning a domestic cup despite several long periods of bad performances in the league. Or being happy about just lucky enough to get a place in CL.

 

Most of the top players in top clubs earned their position there not only because they are talented, but they are serious and hard working. If we don't have that mentality and allow mediocrity, we won't be a top club. Chelsea and Man City got the rich ownership for sure, but they also got the likes of Mourinho and Mancini who demanded winning during their evolution.

We can't be an elite club with PSR as it is anyway, Chelsea got Mourinho plus unlimited money, same with Man City. We will never be allowed to do so and that's the difference.  We could appoint Pep tomorrow and he would struggle to turn us into an elite team with PSR.  Chelsea and Man United for example spend about a billion quid every summer and pay unlimited wages but look nowhere near winning the league.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Geogaddi

[bobbydazzla]

23 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Indeed I think the culture inside the club need to be upgraded that mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated.

 

Arsenal under Wenger's final years was an example. For years their club's hierarchy had a culture of finishing 4th or winning the domestic cups here and there is good enough. They used to blame rivals like Man Utd or Chelsea of splashing money to justify their mediocrity. Their manager made comments like '4th is a trophy' publicly. For more than a decade there was a feeling that Arsenal is a club in decline.

 

If we look at ourselves, I think there is a worrying parallel between us and that Arsenal side. That we are so used to blame on PSR to justify every failure. Being too satisfied about winning a domestic cup despite several long periods of bad performances in the league. Or being happy about just lucky enough to get a place in CL.

 

Most of the top players in top clubs earned their position there not only because they are talented, but they are serious and hard working. If we don't have that mentality and allow mediocrity, we won't be a top club. Chelsea and Man City got the rich ownership for sure, but they also got the likes of Mourinho and Mancini who demanded winning during their evolution.

Wenger and Arsenal were hugely successful in winning titles and they were so good they went a season undefeated before they began a slow “decline” into Wenger’s final years of his 22 year tenure, “only”winning cups and finishing 4th. 
 

We were relegation fodder in Oct 2021 who couldn’t win a single game. For 14 years before that our only aim was to stay in the top flight (failing twice) with a club policy of not progressing in cups and not getting into Europe.

 

Since Oct 21 we’ve won a cup, lost a cup final, qualified for the CL twice, finished high enough in the league to get in the Europa and are in a cup semi final this season, whilst progressing well in the CL. All with a manager who’s on the up and until he came to NUFC had never won a trophy or qualified for Europe so is having the most success he’s ever had in his career. 
 

It’s been the most successful period most living Newcastle fans have ever experienced. We’ve already got more to show for it than we had from our purple patch in the 90’s.

 

And you think we’re accepting mediocrity and have a culture of just being satisfied with winning cups. 

 

The mind boggles. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[mayubeproud]

21 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Wenger and Arsenal were hugely successful in winning titles and they were so good they went a season undefeated before they began a slow “decline” into Wenger’s final years of his 22 year tenure, “only”winning cups and finishing 4th. 
 

We were relegation fodder in Oct 2021 who couldn’t win a single game. For 14 years before that our only aim was to stay in the top flight (failing twice) with a club policy of not progressing in cups and not getting into Europe.

 

Since Oct 21 we’ve won a cup, lost a cup final, qualified for the CL twice, finished high enough in the league to get in the Europa and are in a cup semi final this season, whilst progressing well in the CL. All with a manager who’s on the up and until he came to NUFC had never won a trophy or qualified for Europe so is having the most success he’s ever had in his career. 
 

It’s been the most successful period most living Newcastle fans have ever experienced. We’ve already got more to show for it than we had from our purple patch in the 90’s.

 

And you think we’re accepting mediocrity and have a culture of just being satisfied with winning cups. 

 

The mind boggles. 

 

 

 

Wenger is Arsenal's most successful manager in history for sure, but his tactics and management style clearly became outdated by 2010s.

 

Arsenal didn't became rich overnight in recent years I believe, but they have progressed and are challenging again after changes in their club's culture.

 

Man City also spent their last 15 years fighting for survival (with quite a few seasons in Championship and even League One) before a change in ownership.

 

We can't always give ourselves so many excuses, especially when we don't have the financial power of Big 6 yet. That the only way to close the gap is by working harder. If we can't buy the world class players, make them work hard to become world class players.

[janpawel]

1 hour ago, mayubeproud said:

Money is a factor but I think that is overstated. Liverpool under Klopp for example, especially during the early years, didn't spend that much and they were title contenders almost every year. They did splash on Van Dijk and Alisson when needed, but that was partially funded by the sale of Coutinho.

 

They had absolutely insane talent ID

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Wenger is Arsenal's most successful manager in history for sure, but his tactics and management style clearly became outdated by 2010s.

 

Arsenal didn't became rich overnight in recent years I believe, but they have progressed and are challenging again after changes in their club's culture.

 

Man City also spent their last 15 years fighting for survival (with quite a few seasons in Championship and even League One) before a change in ownership.

 

We can't always give ourselves so many excuses, especially when we don't have the financial power of Big 6 yet. That the only way to close the gap is by working harder. If we can't buy the world class players, make them work hard to become world class players.

Do you know what PSR rules are, when they were introduced and what purpose they’re surreptitiously designed to serve ? 

They’re not an excuse, they’re an unfair restriction that we have to work within the confines of. 

 

And what sort of nincompoop thinks you can just turn good players into world class players by making them work harder. 
 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[mayubeproud]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Do you know what PSR rules are, when they were introduced and what purpose they’re surreptitiously designed to serve ? 

They’re not an excuse, they’re a fact that we have to work within the confines of.

 

And what sort of nincompoop thinks you can just turn good players into world class players by making them work harder. 
 

 

All of that applies to Arsenal as well.

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, mayubeproud said:

All of that applies to Arsenal as well.

What applies to Arsenal ? 
 

They’re one of the teams that PSR is designed to protect. 

[mayubeproud]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

What applies to Arsenal ? 
 

They’re one of the teams that PSR is designed to protect. 

Do you know how poor Arsenal was during the 2010s?

 

They didn't get protected by PSR by default. They worked their way up to earn their spending power today.

[GEFAFWISP]

1 minute ago, mayubeproud said:

Do you know how poor Arsenal was during the 2010s?

 

They didn't get protected by PSR by default. They worked their way up to earn their spending power today.

[Geogaddi]

8 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

All of that applies to Arsenal as well.

Arteta has literally spent about a billion quid and has an FA cup with an Unai Emery team to show for it, PSR doesn't remotely apply to them.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Geogaddi

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Do you know how poor Arsenal was during the 2010s?

 

They didn't get protected by PSR by default. They worked their way up to earn their spending power today.

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Do you know how poor Arsenal was during the 2010s?

 

They didn't get protected by PSR by default. They worked their way up to earn their spending power today.

In the 2010’s they consistently finished in the Champions League spots and won 4 cups.

 

Are you on glue ? I won’t judge you if you are, I’m partial to it myself. And I often call it Gluesday rather than Tuesday.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[Interpolic]

dafties out in force, must be matchday.

[mayubeproud]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

In the 2010’s they consistently finished in the Champions League spots and won 4 cups.

 

Are you on glue ? I won’t judge you if you are, I’m partial to it myself. 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I mean by 'poor'. It is literally poor in financial terms.

Performance wise, it was mediocre or half decent.

[Fak]

1 minute ago, mayubeproud said:

I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I mean by 'poor'. It is literally poor in financial terms.

Performance wise, it was mediocre or half decent.

 

I'm not sure if this post clarifies anything or just makes it worse. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2025 by Fak