Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 They're not really being pulled apart. Like I don't think anyone was citing the 58 games before we'd actually played them, you've not pulled that apart you've just moved the goal posts on when the point was being made Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Cronky said: We don't have the players to play a possession-based style. Is it realistic, when we've won our first major trophy for 70 years and we've had two CL campaigns by playing a certain way, to have another group of players at at the ready who can effectively play an alternative style? Get real. I think we agree, but this is why I don't trust Eddie to be the one to steer the offseason. "Hey, what we need is more players who can't play a possession-based style. Get me Usain Bolt on Line 1." That's the evolution that needs to happen, or at least begin to happen. It won't happen so long as Eddie is here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Cronky said: We don't have the players to play a possession-based style. Is it realistic, when we've won our first major trophy for 70 years and we've had two CL campaigns by playing a certain way, to have another group of players at at the ready who can effectively play an alternative style? Get real. Passing and moving are the fundamentals of football ffs, they're not things only certain players are able to do - all of them have to do it to get to the top of the game. Some more than others, yes but they don't have to be fucking Maradona to play 15 minutes of keep ball at the end of a game. They just have to be coached that way. If we want to play possession football throughout a game, taking the ball in tight spaces, yes we need a certain type of player (and we don't have it because that's not the way Eddie wants to play) but you're seriously suggesting learning to kill off a game is beyond these players?! If it is, it's a fucking sad indictment on Eddie Howe that he's spent £700m on players that limited. How's that for real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Mills and Boon said: They're not really being pulled apart. Like I don't think anyone was citing the 58 games before we'd actually played them, you've not pulled that apart you've just moved the goal posts on when the point was being made Literally loads saying the heavy fixture list caused the bad season. Please keep up. We were rubbish from August and they are the facts. Argue against that all you like but you'd be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said: I didn't say I disagreed with you. What I'm saying is that you can't put a timescale on anything, ie we've gone back 5 years, cos that's simply not true. How not though? We've been playing like a relegation side since January, that's not an exaggeration. If it wasn't for Woltemade's early form we could easily be in West Ham's shoes right now. It's been clear for months that certain players aren't wanting to play for the manager. There are too many parallels with how things were under Bruce, right down to the league position and painful football. The problems started long before Isak left as well (2022-23 to be exact), which is why I don't like seeing the excuse of Isak leaving being peddled out in Howe's defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Carlito said: How not though? We've been playing like a relegation side since January, that's not an exaggeration. If it wasn't for Woltemade's early form we could easily be in West Ham's shoes right now. It's been clear for months that certain players aren't wanting to play for the manager. There are too many parallels with how things were under Bruce, right down to the league position and painful football. The problems started long before Isak left as well (2022-23 to be exact), which is why I don't like seeing the excuse of Isak leaving being peddled out in Howe's defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 minutes ago, NEEJ said: Leeds at home. That was when Howe's system was first found out. Since that game we haven't been able to break down low blocks and teams know to set up that way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said: Literally loads saying the heavy fixture list caused the bad season. Please keep up. We were rubbish from August and they are the facts. Argue against that all you like but you'd be wrong. If you think being without Isak didn't negatively impact our early season, and playing more games than most didn't negatively impact our late season, then you're wrong. It's crazy to think these things didn't impact our season and it's only the most ardent Howe Outers who come out with this kind of crap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 18 minutes ago, Carlito said: Leeds at home. That was when Howe's system was first found out. Since that game we haven't been able to break down low blocks and teams know to set up that way We scored 158 league goals in the two following seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 28 minutes ago, Carlito said: Leeds at home. That was when Howe's system was first found out. Since that game we haven't been able to break down low blocks and teams know to set up that way Aye, it's all gone to pot since that day. What a shite time we've had in the meantime. Seriously, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 15 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: If you think being without Isak didn't negatively impact our early season, and playing more games than most didn't negatively impact our late season, then you're wrong. It's crazy to think these things didn't impact our season and it's only the most ardent Howe Outers who come out with this kind of crap Players come and players go. It's the nature of the game. Always has been, always will be. If losing 1 player can have that much impact, especially when the entire £125m was handed back over for replacements, then the project is built on sand I'm afraid. We could play out next season in exactly the same way and the likes of you will simply find new excuses as you're incapable of taking your head out of the sand because Howe won a trophy. Selling Isak isn't why we dropped 27 points from winning positions. It's also not why we continuously shipped last minute goals. It's not why we kept on coming out after HT looking completely clueless, disinterested and disorganised. It's not why we rolled over twice for Sunderland or shipped 7 in Barcelona. Yes it didn't help but the money was invested/wasted back into strengthening the team and as good as Isak was he missed basically a full season out of his 3 here due to injury so it's not like playing without him was some sort of alien concept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 My head is out of the sand. I'm viewing the season in context. Try it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 7 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: We scored 158 league goals in the two following seasons. So breaking down teams that utilize a low block hasn't been an issue for us in your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Mills and Boon said: My head is out of the sand. I'm viewing the season in context. Try it Just view the season as to how it was instead. With what you watched with your very own 2 eyes. You can add content to anything if you look hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 You can strip out as much context as you want if you're ignorant enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said: You can strip out as much context as you want if you're ignorant enough You can't see any wrong in him. That's ignorance unfortunately for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, NEEJ said: Aye, it's all gone to pot since that day. What a shite time we've had in the meantime. Seriously, man. I said it's slowly gotten worse, which it has. In 22/23 we conceded 33 goals. 62 conceded the following season. For the first half of last season (24/25) we were honking. Edited May 27 by Carlito Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: You can't see any wrong in him. That's ignorance unfortunately for you. I mean that's absolute bollocks. I've criticized Howe plenty, over how the Isak money was spent especially. Don't make stuff up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 30 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Take some pride in yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Lost one of the best pressing players in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: I mean that's absolute bollocks. I've criticized Howe plenty, over how the Isak money was spent especially. Don't make stuff up So what's your context behind this shitshow of a season then? We lost Isak and Howe wasted the money we got for him on rubbish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Yawn. Been over it and over it. There's even context behind who we brought in and why but it'll be wasted on you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said: Yawn. Been over it and over it. There's even context behind who we brought in and why but it'll be wasted on you You're a walking contradiction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 16 minutes ago, Carlito said: So breaking down teams that utilize a low block hasn't been an issue for us in your opinion? Of course it has (though it's also a problem for almost every team, which no one likes to talk about -- that's not to completely excuse us to be clear). That's not what you said though, you said Eddie was figured out on NYE 2022. I was simply pointing out that we scored buckets of goals the next two seasons, including one of the best returns in the league in 2023/24. That's not counting the fact that after your critical date we had games where we scored 5, 6, 4, 3, and 4 in the 2022/23 season. Now for some reason you're talking about how we've started leaking goals, which is also a problem but also entirely unrelated to breaking down low blocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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