midds Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I'm not even totally sure that the banner was a direct pop at Newcastle fans either. The main target of it was the PL for passing it and for the Saudi's for their horrific record on human rights. Both of which I would find it impossible to argue with tbh. The facts are that the Saudi's record of HR is abhorrent and criticising it is absolutely fair game imo, letting it slide and ignoring it isn't going to do anything to help the situation. I suppose the timing of it all could be questioned. Why are Palace fans suddenly concerned with HR abuses in Saudi Arabia? Where were the banners last month? The obvious answer is that Palace fans now have to compete with a club that's now part of their world via the PL, and they've got every right to voice their protest. Newcastle fans see the banner in the stadium and online, consider it an attack and the first, natural instinct is to defend the club as they would do, it's tribal, you attack us, we defend ourselves. Problem with that mentality is that is plays into the hands of the Saudis and in doing so you're already quite a few steps down the line of defending the indefensible. It's sportswashing, it's the reason they wanted a PL club in the first place. We're going to have to get used to this, we're also going to have to be better at responding to it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Yeah, I mean it’s never clear when the ‘blame’ is suppose to fall on the fans or what we’re actually supposed to do. And it’s the PL and government who have structural relationships with SA. It feels like an attack because it makes us feel guilty/defensive about enjoying the takeover, which is sadly just a feeling we have to live with. Edited October 24, 2021 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Respond with a stone cold stunner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) I'm just against it from a cultural perspective. I've done a lot of travel and 1st rule is respecting the local customs. I think it's rude and disrespectful. We live in a free and open speech country though, that's one with thing we should celebrate and focus on despite who owns us. That's why these banners should be no issue for us fans. Edited October 24, 2021 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Beezeri said: Didn't see the game but 214 passes in total and 64% of them 138 successful. It's about 1,5 successful passes per minute! How is that even possible? And possession 25%! We'going to need a new midfield ASAP. And I thought Jones's going to play possession based attacking football. Yeah...he did have 3 days to train with the players but still. It was even worse than under SB. I think the biggest problem is our tactics. We played a flat back 5, flat 3 midfielders 1 striker and 1 with a free role up front. Ritchie dosent have the legs to operate as a wingback, manquillo is more of a right back. Krafth isnt a central defender, Lascelles has said he preffers playing with 2 cb. Fraser isnt a hard worker nor a central midfielder, so that leaves us with longstaff and hayden in central midfield without anyone on the sides. We need a manager which can play to our strengths, and by our squad that isnt many. IMO our main focus for the transfer window should be: goalkeeper, central defender, deffensive midfielder. Summer transfer maybe change most of our team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Begbie said: I think the biggest problem is our tactics. We played a flat back 5, flat 3 midfielders 1 striker and 1 with a free role up front. Ritchie dosent have the legs to operate as a wingback, manquillo is more of a right back. Krafth isnt a central defender, Lascelles has said he preffers playing with 2 cb. Fraser isnt a hard worker nor a central midfielder, so that leaves us with longstaff and hayden in central midfield without anyone on the sides. We need a manager which can play to our strengths, and by our squad that isnt many. IMO our main focus for the transfer window should be: goalkeeper, central defender, deffensive midfielder. Summer transfer maybe change most of our team... Get Dubravka in and that is solved as he is more than capable for the team in it's current position and brings organisation. I would argue we also need a creative midfielder and a striker (as Wilson will probably not play all season as his injury record indicates). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: Get Dubravka in and that is solved as he is more than capable for the team in it's current position and brings organisation. I would argue we also need a creative midfielder and a striker (as Wilson will probably not play all season as his injury record indicates). We definitely need Dubs back, darlow horrified me yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Get Dubravka in and that is solved as he is more than capable for the team in it's current position and brings organisation. I would argue we also need a creative midfielder and a striker (as Wilson will probably not play all season as his injury record indicates). I agree on Dubravka, its to bad he is injured to much.. i also agree we need a creative midfielder, but think goalie, cb, and dmc is more important to keep us in the league. I do think its going to be a hard transfer window, some clubs wont do business with us, and others will ask to high prices from us. But asap we need a manager, and a coaching Staff. Also add a friend, shrink, coach or whatever for ASM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, midds said: I'm not even totally sure that the banner was a direct pop at Newcastle fans either. The main target of it was the PL for passing it and for the Saudi's for their horrific record on human rights. Both of which I would find it impossible to argue with tbh. The facts are that the Saudi's record of HR is abhorrent and criticising it is absolutely fair game imo, letting it slide and ignoring it isn't going to do anything to help the situation. I suppose the timing of it all could be questioned. Why are Palace fans suddenly concerned with HR abuses in Saudi Arabia? Where were the banners last month? The obvious answer is that Palace fans now have to compete with a club that's now part of their world via the PL, and they've got every right to voice their protest. Newcastle fans see the banner in the stadium and online, consider it an attack and the first, natural instinct is to defend the club as they would do, it's tribal, you attack us, we defend ourselves. Problem with that mentality is that is plays into the hands of the Saudis and in doing so you're already quite a few steps down the line of defending the indefensible. It's sportswashing, it's the reason they wanted a PL club in the first place. We're going to have to get used to this, we're also going to have to be better at responding to it too. I took it as a pop at us as well, block swinging a sword towards a magpie and ‘we’ve got our club back’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 The more anti-Saudi flags/banners there are, the more a certain section will wear/continue to wear the stereotypical attire and wave the Saudi flag. The hatred will be embraced and it’ll become an act of defiance. Its obviously not on the level of, but is similar to, some of our fans wearing dust masks when playing the Burra. It got the odd chuckle then their own fans started doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: The more anti-Saudi flags/banners there are, the more a certain section will wear/continue to wear the stereotypical attire and wave the Saudi flag. The hatred will be embraced and it’ll become an act of defiance. Its obviously not on the level of, but is similar to, some of our fans wearing dust masks when playing the Burra. It got the odd chuckle then their own fans started doing it. You could be right. I guess it depends upon which direction the NUFC vs the world campaign takes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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