LFEE Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, huss9 said: @LFEEwhat seems the best for groups of 4 together (other than in the gods)? There’s loads of 4’s in virtually every low block. For price and height I’d suggest you start at 138 above the ambulance entrance. Any particular block you had in mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Hovagod said: Well, the Ashley thing is what it is is, so I accept it clouds the issue here. But it’s not a silly idea otherwise, and pretty much every club bases their allocation of cup final tickets on the basis that season ticket holders deserve first go at getting them. I just mean, you could be an incredibly loyal lifelong fan and there could be hundreds of reasons why you don’t have a season ticket. I wouldn’t say you ‘deserve’ a final ticket any less than people who do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: I just mean, you could be an incredibly loyal lifelong fan and there could be hundreds of reasons why you don’t have a season ticket. I wouldn’t say you ‘deserve’ a final ticket any less than people who do. Ian I love you but your two takes today (this and the open ballot) are getting worse ? Someone who has ploughed thousands into season’s tickets for decades > watched on TV for decades. Every single time for any type of club. To say both equal is crazy ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 You'd also have a load of people entering the ballot who have no intention to go and just want to sell the ticket for thousands of pounds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LFEE said: Ian I love you but your two takes today (this and the open ballot) are getting worse ? Someone who has ploughed thousands into season’s tickets for decades > watched on TV for decades. Every single time for any type of club. To say both equal is crazy ? But you accept that loads of other people would plough that money in it if they had the opportunity? I accept arguments like ‘it’s conventional that ST holders get priority’ or ‘it was the deal when we paid for it’. I don’t accept that it means they deserve it or they are more loyal fans. It’s a philosophical point I know. I realise people probably won’t agree. Edited February 7, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: But you accept that loads of other people would plough that money in it if they had the opportunity? I accept arguments like ‘it’s conventional that ST holders get priority’ or ‘it was the deal when we paid for it’. I don’t except that it means they deserve it or they are more loyal fans. It’s a philosophical point I know. Apart from last 14 month they’ve had an opportunity for 15 year approx ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I just mean, you could be an incredibly loyal lifelong fan and there could be hundreds of reasons why you don’t have a season ticket. I wouldn’t say you ‘deserve’ a final ticket any less than people who do. But you’re getting into intangibles then. Every club is going to have some kind of metric to measure who gets tickets when demand outstrips supply. Sometimes it’s shit for people, and maybe the use of language like ‘deserves’ isn’t always fair, but you can’t expect a club to take into account every possible life scenario that might have prevented someone from actively (in measurable terms) supporting the club for a period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, SteV said: But you’re getting into intangibles then. Every club is going to have some kind of metric to measure who gets tickets when demand outstrips supply. Sometimes it’s shit for people, and maybe the use of language like ‘deserves’ isn’t always fair, but you can’t expect a club to take into account every possible life scenario that might have prevented someone from actively (in measurable terms) supporting the club for a period of time. Yeah, like I said, it’s a philosophical argument. i don’t expect the club to implement it, although I do think there’s an argument for rewarding people a bit more evenly in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 And for the record I’ve been on both sides of the fence/turnstile. I remember going to every single home game when KK got us promoted getting into ground 2hrs before KO then come Leicester City (7-1) I was locked out for it when they played their final game and were presented with the trophy… running around each of the turnstiles of the full ground to see if any of them were letting in anybody still ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I think it’s fair ST holders get dibs - why should it be any other way really? However there is many fans who also had ST for 15 years + and packed in during the Ashley years who’ve been to every home game post-takeover, thus also ploughing money into the club. Both things can be true. In our case, there is no real way to measure loyalty as those packing in done what they believed to be the right thing, as did those who stayed. The only thing I’d have changed about the whole ticketing for the final would be to either swap/merge period 5&6, and I say this as someone who has a ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, LFEE said: Apart from last 14 month they’ve had an opportunity for 15 year approx ? Well that depends on their situation. Also that’s without debating whether it’s more loyal to stay or go under Ashley. All we’re proving here is that it isn’t a reliable way to say who ‘deserves’ future benefits. That’s all I’m saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 @AyeDubbleYoo, hypothetically speaking, if there had been no Ashley, it was a completely blank slate/even playing field, and someone had the funds/opportunity to get a season ticket and buy tickets to attend every home cup game this season would you still argue that person A who did that should have equal rights as person B who didn't? Trying to strip everything away and just understand what you're getting at here, basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Well that depends on their situation. Also that’s without debating whether it’s more loyal to stay or go under Ashley. All we’re proving here is that it isn’t a reliable way to say who ‘deserves’ future benefits. That’s all I’m saying. Funny how their situation always improves in conjunction with the team though ? There is a reliable way just the minority don’t agree with it. And for this game as a standalone I genuinely don’t think the club could’ve been much fairer than they have been. I’ve already mentioned there is a an argument for 6 to be ahead of 5 or merged (if I was doing it) but overall it’s exactly how I thought it would pan out. Top end sport unfortunately today is too popular for many of the stadiums available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, Rich said: @AyeDubbleYoo, hypothetically speaking, if there had been no Ashley, it was a completely blank slate/even playing field, and someone had the funds/opportunity to get a season ticket and buy tickets to attend every home cup game this season would you still argue that person A who did that should have equal rights as person B who didn't? Trying to strip everything away and just understand what you're getting at here, basically. No of course, if everyone had the same opportunity and all things were equal. Then having a ST would be a much better measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Yeah, like I said, it’s a philosophical argument. i don’t expect the club to implement it, although I do think there’s an argument for rewarding people a bit more evenly in future. How though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: How though? Not sure it’s a good idea for me to continue this line of argument Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I mean ideally and philosophically you'd be able to quantify everybody's loyalty and the most loyal/deserving fans would get the tickets But the only quantifying way to do that is through season tickets and ticket history. I'm not sure what else the club could have done or could do in the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: No of course, if everyone had the same opportunity and all things were equal. Then having a ST would be a much better measure. Nice one, was just making sure you hadn't gone completely off the reservation. I can't even really be that mad with those who kept tickets and kept accruing loyalty points through the Ashley years, though, because there's no way they got much pleasure out of it. It was a net negative and they're sort of getting paid back a bit for that now, even if you think they did nothing to help force change we can't say for sure that it would've made any difference if they'd stopped going and gave up their points like so many others. A lot of them were here pre-Ashley, too, following the club home and away is just what they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I’m not really suggesting anything practical, just an interesting idea. In future, maybe a season ticket could guarantee every home game, and we could look into other ways to distribute the other tickets. If we wanted to be fairer and allow more fans to follow their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, SteV said: Not sure there’s really any difference to yesterday? Although we knew today’s numbers would be small Are those level 2 blocks 228-237 available through NUFC to purchase then? It says they're 'Club Wembley' seats - but colour= available? Edited February 7, 2023 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rich said: Nice one, was just making sure you hadn't gone completely off the reservation. I can't even really be that mad with those who kept tickets and kept accruing loyalty points through the Ashley years, though, because there's no way they got much pleasure out of it. It was a net negative and they're sort of getting paid back a bit for that now, even if you think they did nothing to help force change we can't say for sure that it would've made any difference if they'd stopped going and gave up their points like so many others. A lot of them were here pre-Ashley, too, following the club home and away is just what they do. Yeah, I tried to avoid the Ashley loyalty argument, will only wind people up and everyone has their own reasons and beliefs about it. Edited February 7, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: Are those level 2 blocks 228-237 available through NUFC to purchase then? It says they're (Club?) 'Wembley' seats - but colour= available? Looks like it: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, SteV said: Looks like it: Interesting. I thought Club Wembley ones were not released to the clubs - were available to 'Club Wembley members' as 'neutral' areas. It was a Club Wembley seat I bought from resale before the semi was played. For one of the greyed out parts though I assume. Guess they've failed to shift a lot of Club Wembley memberships so have reserved part of the area for clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Superior Acuña said: Interesting. I thought Club Wembley ones were not released to the clubs - were available to 'Club Wembley members' as 'neutral' areas. It was a Club Wembley seat I bought from resale before the semi was played. For one of the greyed out parts though I assume. Guess they've failed to shift a lot of Club Wembley memberships so have reserved part of the area for clubs. Yeah. Which means the allocation for the clubs could actually have been even less than it is now, had they been bought as CW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, SteV said: Yeah. Which means the allocation for the clubs could actually have been even less than it is now, had they been bought as CW. Aye ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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