Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Mattoon]

55 minutes ago, Loki679 said:

 

So if the owners can afford to spend without bankrupting the club they should be allowed to?  I agree completely.

 

This is the crux of the argument really, a club should be allowed to spend within its means, however that means is supplied, not through arbitrary rules. Thats not to say I want to see carte blanche spending, but at least a level playing field, if it can be afforded.

[SteV]

We’ve probably reduced the wage bill by roughly half a mill per week with the departure of Gordon, Tripper, Kraft, Ramsdale and Targett.

 

Will have chucked a bit more Miley’s way, but should have good scope to pay what’s needed for the recruitment drive, given the type of player we seem to be targeting.

[r0cafella]

Just now, SteV said:

We’ve probably reduced the wage bill by roughly half a mill per week with the departure of Gordon, Tripper, Kraft, Ramsdale and Targett.

 

Will have chucked a bit more Miley’s way, but should have good scope to pay what’s needed for the recruitment drive, given the type of player we seem to be targeting.

This and reducing amortisation is huge for squad cost. 

[Nucasol]

13 minutes ago, SteV said:

We’ve probably reduced the wage bill by roughly half a mill per week with the departure of Gordon, Tripper, Kraft, Ramsdale and Targett.

 

Will have chucked a bit more Miley’s way, but should have good scope to pay what’s needed for the recruitment drive, given the type of player we seem to be targeting.

Talking:

 

£120k Tripps

£140k Gordon

£60k Krafu 

£80k Targett (stop laughing at the back)

£80k Ramsdale

 

So think by the time you chuck appearance fees and bonuses in you’ll be in that ballpark.

[Andy84]

How much bunce are we talking 

[robbo_11]

Gordon details from Athletic:

 

Everton to receive £3.8m + £3m solidarity

£38m profit on sale for NUFC

£13M into 26-27 SCR calculation

Under 85% rule, £11m extra spending capacity - not considering his wage saved

 

Basically - we're doing alright from it.

[Andy84]

2 minutes ago, robbo_11 said:

Gordon details from Athletic:

 

Everton to receive £3.8m + £3m solidarity

£38m profit on sale for NUFC

£13M into 26-27 SCR calculation

Under 85% rule, £11m extra spending capacity - not considering his wage saved

 

Basically - we're doing alright from it.

Think we’re doing the 70% for SCR as we’re working on uefa regs

[robbo_11]

1 minute ago, Andy84 said:

Think we’re doing the 70% for SCR as we’re working on uefa regs

 

I think the article just says that is our upper limit, we might well stick to 70% if expecting to be in Europe in two seasons. The Gordon sale potentially unlocks two additions under the £40m mark if we spend wisely.

[Groundhog63]

26 minutes ago, robbo_11 said:

Gordon details from Athletic:

 

Everton to receive £3.8m + £3m solidarity

£38m profit on sale for NUFC

£13M into 26-27 SCR calculation

Under 85% rule, £11m extra spending capacity - not considering his wage saved

 

Basically - we're doing alright from it.

I'm old enough to remember jumpers for goalposts 

[enthusiast]

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I'm old enough to remember jumpers for goalposts 

 

Aye, I'll never forget Blackburn away on Boxing Day 1996.. half-hour argument over whether Kevin Gallacher's shot had gone in or had gone over the post. Only got sorted when Tim Sherwood started crying and saying he was going to take his ball home, and it was the only casey anybody had (he'd just got a brand new Mitre Delta for Christmas, in the end his mam went spare at him for getting it scuffed up on the tarmac).

 

Could have done with having VAR tbh. 

[Monters]

11 hours ago, robbo_11 said:

Gordon details from Athletic:

 

Everton to receive £3.8m + £3m solidarity

£38m profit on sale for NUFC

£13M into 26-27 SCR calculation

Under 85% rule, £11m extra spending capacity - not considering his wage saved

 

Basically - we're doing alright from it.

From that is it safe to assume £13m into 27-28 SCR and then £12m the following year?

[robbo_11]

12 hours ago, Monters said:

From that is it safe to assume £13m into 27-28 SCR and then £12m the following year?

 

Yes, there is also the amortisation for Gordon to consider that would take it to about £17m. The same guy has just released UCL ££ estimations and we're in at £56m total.

[Monters]

13 minutes ago, robbo_11 said:

 

Yes, there is also the amortisation for Gordon to consider that would take it to about £17m. The same guy has just released UCL ££ estimations and we're in at £56m total.

Thanks, that’s what I thought but saw a couple of posts that doubted it but seemed wrong. 

[robbo_11]

1 minute ago, Monters said:

Thanks, that’s what I thought but saw a couple of posts that doubted it but seemed wrong. 

 

This is how I've understood it i.e. we don't need to use the Gordon profit before 1st July. I'd hope we do make a signing once window opens, but pretty sure the costs are spread over 3 years. If Anderson was sold abroad we'd also benefit from a solidarity payment as Everton have. 

[1881]

2 minutes ago, robbo_11 said:

 

This is how I've understood it i.e. we don't need to use the Gordon profit before 1st July. I'd hope we do make a signing once window opens, but pretty sure the costs are spread over 3 years. If Anderson was sold abroad we'd also benefit from a solidarity payment as Everton have. 

As far as I understand it, money made from sales is split over three years and money spent on purchases is (as before) split over the length of the contract up to a maximum of five years.

[SteV]

[Optimistic Nut]

How would it work in terms of what we'd have to spend this summer, if we agreed to sell Woltemade to Milan for £200m and we agreed to sign Leao from Milan for £200m?

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

How would it work in terms of what we'd have to spend this summer, if we agreed to sell Woltemade to Milan for £200m and we agreed to sign Leao from Milan for £200m?

We’d have a delta of about £27m available for transfers (assuming Leao’s and Woltemade’s wage costs balance out), less Leao’s signing on fee

[Optimistic Nut]

And then assuming it just kicks the can down the road by eating into future budgets anyway. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

And then assuming it just kicks the can down the road by eating into future budgets anyway. 

After three years it will - years 4 & 5 we'd be -£40m each season

[Steve Charlton]

9 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

How would it work in terms of what we'd have to spend this summer, if we agreed to sell Woltemade to Milan for £200m and we agreed to sign Leao from Milan for £200m?

I think the athletic reported that Harvey Barnes was gonna go to villa last summer but prem blocked it as they saw it as a swap deal after Ramsey moved here

[lovejoy]

8 minutes ago, Steve Charlton said:

I think the athletic reported that Harvey Barnes was gonna go to villa last summer but prem blocked it as they saw it as a swap deal after Ramsey moved here

It was Osula, but aye, it collapsed for that reason.

[Steve Charlton]

49 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

It was Osula, but aye, it collapsed for that reason.

Links to hope's article are now locked,But i definitely read a report in the athletic

 

A proposed swap deal involving Harvey Barnes moving to Aston Villa and Jacob Ramsey to Newcastle United was blocked due to high valuations and PSR (Profit and Sustainability Rules) complexities. Instead of a direct swap, the clubs explored two separate £50m transactions, but Newcastle manager Eddie Howe ultimately rejected the sale of Barnes

 

Wouldnt be surprised if Villa came back for him or someone else as they kind of owe us

[lovejoy]

30 minutes ago, Steve Charlton said:

Links to hope's article are now locked,But i definitely read a report in the athletic

 

A proposed swap deal involving Harvey Barnes moving to Aston Villa and Jacob Ramsey to Newcastle United was blocked due to high valuations and PSR (Profit and Sustainability Rules) complexities. Instead of a direct swap, the clubs explored two separate £50m transactions, but Newcastle manager Eddie Howe ultimately rejected the sale of Barnes

 

Wouldnt be surprised if Villa came back for him or someone else as they kind of owe us

Ah ok, it was Osula on the last day as well. Ornstein reported it at the time.

[1881]

A question for those who understand these things better than me but possibly no-one knows for sure.

 

Under the new SCR rules the checks are done on a seasonal basis therefore any money we made from the Champions League is irrelevant in terms of next season”s available expenditure. In reality we probably needed it to satisfy this year’s PSR rules.

 

The rules regarding player sales are also changing so that the profit is split over the year the sale was made and the following two seasons. The question is during 2026/27 will we get a third of the profits we made from sales profits during 2025/26 and 2024/25. In other words is there some form of transition?

 

Which leads to the Alexander Gordon sale which I believe is going through officially in June. Will this count as taking place in 2026/27 and under the new rules? Of course we may have rushed the sale through to satisfy this year’s PSR rules if we overestimated how much income we would generate.

 

It would also appear that the new way of treating profits from sales is going to have a major negative impact on clubs which rely heavily on income from player sales (ie all but Big 6) as when they sell one of their best players they can only reinvest a third of that money in new players in that season. Just adds to the whole cartel con.

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:53 by 1881