Match Atmosphere

[madras]

16 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Hopefully anyone in that category gets made redundant and can no longer afford their season ticket. Harsh but I don’t care, spiteful cunts. 

Yeah cos everyone should just give you what you want.

 

Doesn't affect me I'm in level 7, I could stand for the game but now, given the choice I'll sit, but fuck me the way you lot are going on. You've got people sat there for years with friends, built up loads of relationships with people around and are a bit pissed off that they might have to move to worse seats away from their friends so people who in their eyes may have just bounced in on the back of the takeover can sing a bit.

 

I'm in favour of safe standing and could see it eventually being more than a 1:1 ratio, but bugger me, anyone against is a spiteful cunt ? 

[bobbydazzla]

Why would you rather sit than stand ?

 

Unless they are physically incapable of standing for 90 mins I’m intrigued why someone would rather watch a match sitting down.

 

Sitting dampens the experience in my opinion and when I have to sit down at a match or gig it feels frustrating, like I’m not fully involved. 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[Whitley mag]

Don’t see the problem they’ll be offered a comparable seat by the club, at the end of the day you have a season ticket you don’t own the fucking seat.

[madras]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

Why would you rather sit than stand ?

 

Unless they are physically incapable of standing for 90 mins I’m intrigued why someone would rather watch a match sitting down.

 

It dampens the experience in my opinion and when I sit down at a match or gig it feels frustrating, like I’m not fully involved. 

 

I used to think that, especially until moving up into level 7, now I can't sing for mumbling to myself manager style as I can see the play play out like never before. It's not being  involved, tou can only do that on the pitch (and that's from someone who was home and away from the early 80s, coming back from every game hoarse from singing), now it's a concentration,  I get so wrapped up in it that way.

[madras]

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Don’t see the problem they’ll be offered a comparable seat by the club, at the end of the day you have a season ticket you don’t own the fucking seat.

And if they are worse seats, a group of 3 for 6 people  ? At the end of the day they could say you have to sit. 

[OCOCOL]

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Don’t see the problem they’ll be offered a comparable seat by the club, at the end of the day you have a season ticket you don’t own the fucking seat.

The bond / save our seats debacle proved  that point in law too (although I still agree that was a pisstake by the club).

 

It shows how things come full circle as years ago the standing area got scrapped to extend the corporate offering. 

[bobbydazzla]

13 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

The bond / save our seats debacle proved  that point in law too (although I still agree that was a pisstake by the club).

 

It shows how things come full circle as years ago the standing area got scrapped to extend the corporate offering. 

Well strictly speaking all standing areas in grounds were forced to be scrapped cos of the Taylor report and the government response to it

 

Fair enough having some seated areas in grounds as there always be some who want to sit, but I’d love it if we got back to vast majority standing at football matches 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[bobbydazzla]

20 minutes ago, madras said:

I used to think that, especially until moving up into level 7, now I can't sing for mumbling to myself manager style as I can see the play play out like never before. It's not being  involved, tou can only do that on the pitch (and that's from someone who was home and away from the early 80s, coming back from every game hoarse from singing), now it's a concentration,  I get so wrapped up in it that way.

But why is it better to mumble to yourself sitting down rather than standing up ? 
 

The eagle eye view from L7 of the tactics unfolding on the pitch isn’t compromised by standing up

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[madras]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

But why is it better to mumble to yourself sitting down rather than standing up ? 
 

The eagle eye view from L7 of the tactics unfolding on the pitch isn’t compromised by standing up

 

 

 

I wouldn't say better, probably more natural for me. Cant say I felt more part of it when I was standing to be honest.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by madras

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

I wouldn't say better, probably more natural for me. Cant say I felt more part of it when I was standing to be honest.

 

 

 

I should have used “preferable” rather than “better”

 

Standing just creates a more vibrant atmosphere I reckon.

 

Sitting down is for quiet events, the cinema, a classical music concert, a relaxing pint with a mate. Standing up is for when you want to make some noise, be animated, create some hustle and bustle. 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[madras]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

I should have used “preferable” rather than “better”

 

Standing just creates a more vibrant atmosphere I reckon.

 

Sitting down is for quiet events, the cinema, a classical music concert, a relaxing pint with a mate. Standing up is for when you want to make some noise, be animated, create some hustle and bustle. 

 

 

 

And there should be room for both, I've done both and get exactly what you mean and hopefully the club can accommodate everyone ie move those that don't want to stand to seats that they're happy with and if not I can understand them being pissed off.

 

Calling them spiteful cunts for being pissed off about it is just fucking childish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OCOCOL]

22 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Well strictly speaking all standing areas in grounds were forced to be scrapped cos of the Taylor report and the government response to it

 

Fair enough having some seated areas in grounds as there always be some who want to sit, but I’d love it if we got back to vast majority standing at football matches 

 

 

 

 

It wasn’t a designated standing area. This was post the Taylor report requirements when our singing area was the milburn / Leazes corner before the ground extension. The most vocal fans at the time stood / sat there and although many had purchased a £500 bond on top of their season tickets to (they thought) guarantee their seat for 10 years the club wanted to extend the corporate area and took fans who opposed being moved to court. 
 

Although the club won the legal argument that the fans only had the right to “a seat” not “their seat” the judge acknowledged that it was a loophole and the fans had been shafted. 
 

From memory the fans (ie those not directly affected)  were more United than I guess would be the case now. But as I said things come full circle.

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

It wasn’t a designated standing area. This was post the Taylor report requirements when our singing area was the milburn / Leazes corner before the ground extension. The most vocal fans at the time stood / sat there and although many had purchased a £500 bond on top of their season tickets to (they thought) guarantee their seat for 10 years the club wanted to extend the corporate area and took fans who opposed being moved to court. 
 

Although the club won the legal argument that the fans only had the right to “a seat” not “their seat” the judge acknowledged that it was a loophole and the fans had been shafted. 
 

From memory the fans (ie those not directly affected)  were more United than I guess would be the case now. But as I said things come full circle.

The whole ground stood as one for 45 minutes was it against Derby can’t remember. Must have been a much younger and fitter fan base in those days, not sure the current lot could manage 2 minutes without telling cunts to sit down.

[TheGuv]

Watch what happens at half time tomorrow. Everyone sitting will stand for 15 minutes. But they won’t do it during the game.

 

It’s bizarre. 

[Wallsendmag]

2 hours ago, madras said:

Yeah cos everyone should just give you what you want.

 

Doesn't affect me I'm in level 7, I could stand for the game but now, given the choice I'll sit, but fuck me the way you lot are going on. You've got people sat there for years with friends, built up loads of relationships with people around and are a bit pissed off that they might have to move to worse seats away from their friends so people who in their eyes may have just bounced in on the back of the takeover can sing a bit.

 

I'm in favour of safe standing and could see it eventually being more than a 1:1 ratio, but bugger me, anyone against is a spiteful cunt ? 

 

If they've built up such good relationships they can meet up in the pub before and after the game. The match itself isn't really the time for discussing knitting patterns etc. It's a time for getting behind the team you claim to support. You've actually described a big part of the problem. Lot's of people have forgotten why they are there.

 

The main priority is giving the team maximum support to give them the best chance of winning the game. Too many people now treating the actual 90 minutes as just another part of the social occasion.

[madras]

58 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

If they've built up such good relationships they can meet up in the pub before and after the game. The match itself isn't really the time for discussing knitting patterns etc. It's a time for getting behind the team you claim to support. You've actually described a big part of the problem. Lot's of people have forgotten why they are there.

 

The main priority is giving the team maximum support to give them the best chance of winning the game. Too many people now treating the actual 90 minutes as just another part of the social occasion.

It's always been the same, many older people want to watch, support their own way with a "come on" etc, they were coming back hoarse from games 40yrs ago,  are they spiteful cunts for that ? 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by madras

[Wallsendmag]

9 hours ago, madras said:

It's always been the same, many older people want to watch, support their own way with a "come on" etc, they were coming back hoarse from games 40yrs ago,  are they spiteful cunts for that ? 

 

 

 

 

The thing is it hasn't always been the same has it? Younger more excitable people would start off in the Leazes or the Gallowgate. Then as they grew a bit older they'd migrate to the Paddocks or the "old man's corner" (Gallowgate M section) and then when/if they'd finally had enough of standing they'd move to either the West/Milburn Stand or the East Stand.

 

Now you've got the same people occupying the same seat they've had in the Gallowgate for best part of 30 years and like it or not that is the biggest problem with the atmosphere these days. Once upon a time they'd be long gone to either the East or Milburn Stand but they are still there diluting the atmosphere in what should be the loudest part of the ground.

 

The middle tier of the Gallowgate especially, which is what most people would consider gives the best view from that Stand is full of people in their 50s/60s/70s. It's never going to make for a good atmosphere. Once upon a time they would have long since moved out and those places would be occupied by teenagers/lads in their 20s/30s.

[madras]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

The thing is it hasn't always been the same has it? Younger more excitable people would start off in the Leazes or the Gallowgate. Then as they grew a bit older they'd migrate to the Paddocks or the "old man's corner" (Gallowgate M section) and then when/if they'd finally had enough of standing they'd move to either the West/Milburn Stand or the East Stand.

 

Now you've got the same people occupying the same seat they've had in the Gallowgate for best part of 30 years and like it or not that is the biggest problem with the atmosphere these days. Once upon a time they'd be long gone to either the East or Milburn Stand but they are still there diluting the atmosphere in what should be the loudest part of the ground.

 

The middle tier of the Gallowgate especially, which is what most people would consider gives the best view from that Stand is full of people in their 50s/60s/70s. It's never going to make for a good atmosphere. Once upon a time they would have long since moved out and those places would be occupied by teenagers/lads in their 20s/30s.

And your solution is ? Kick them out ? make them go to Inferior seats ?

 

Let's face it all you're saying is "this is what I want".

[Rich]

Make the whole of the Gallowgate and it’s corners safe standing while redeveloping it and give people the option to stay and stand or sit elsewhere?

 

Should add “at no extra cost”, they could even get a fixed price or discount for a set number of years for the inconvenience/their selflessness?

[madras]

Of all the people I know  affected, most are staying put, 3 are moving (grandad, son and grandson), 3 are waiting to see what alternative is offered. Why are any of them spiteful cunts for feeling pissed off about it ?

 

 

Edited April 2, 2023 by madras

[Bellis80]

Where are you moving these people to? Go to the East or Milburn and your ticket is going up £200+, struggling to get a few together or going upstairs. And if people as old as suggested that’s not a particularly good option.

[Wallsendmag]

7 minutes ago, madras said:

And your solution is ? Kick them out ? make them go to Inferior seats ?

 

Let's face it all you're saying is "this is what I want".

 

You said this ie what has always happened. I'm just letting you know that's not the case at all. It's simply a symptom of all seater stadia and the season ticket culture.

 

They can be moved to other seats in the Leazes End which gives an identical view. Alternatively give them first refusal on availability seats in the Milburn or East Stand.

 

My dad si in his 70s and sits in the Gallowgate middle tier. Same seats since 1994. He filled in the survey the other week and whilst he wouldn't want to stand now he voted in favour of it and said he'd be happy to move to make way for it so that younger fans can get the chance to stand like how he did in the late 50s when he first started going up until the 90s.

[Wallsendmag]

13 minutes ago, madras said:

And your solution is ? Kick them out ? make them go to Inferior seats ?

 

Let's face it all you're saying is "this is what I want".

 

I think the vast majority of those surveyed voted in favour of safe standing so it's what the majority want.

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

Where are you moving these people to? Go to the East or Milburn and your ticket is going up £200+, struggling to get a few together or going upstairs. And if people as old as suggested that’s not a particularly good option.

 

1000s of spare seats in the Leazes which is the same price as the Gallowgate.

[madras]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

You said this ie what has always happened. I'm just letting you know that's not the case at all. It's simply a symptom of all seater stadia and the season ticket culture.

 

They can be moved to other seats in the Leazes End which gives an identical view. Alternatively give them first refusal on availability seats in the Milburn or East Stand.

 

My dad si in his 70s and sits in the Gallowgate middle tier. Same seats since 1994. He filled in the survey the other week and whilst he wouldn't want to stand now he voted in favour of it and said he'd be happy to move to make way for it so that younger fans can get the chance to stand like how he did in the late 50s when he first started going up until the 90s.

You're partially right. However there were many olders in the Gallowgate (standing) as well because the vision if the Gallowgate as being like the Leazes was a myth. Big games it was raucous, more regularly it was a couple of hundred in the very centre and sounded quite crap if you were anywhere else in the ground with those who didn't go in the Leazes before its demolition still going there and getting older.