NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Geogaddi]

15 hours ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

Proof? 

I think its pretty obvious both him and Milan knew what was coming, why else would he leave his beloved boyhood club for a seemingly cut price fee to come play for us? Not only that but everything you read and hear points to him being desperate to go back to Italy ahead of staying in this league.

[Sidg]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

Where is the next ryder exclusive he promised us I need my next fix 🤣

Some incredibly non-specific stuff about "high-level talks" from what I can gather. No new names linked, no mention of anything advancing. Couldn't even tell if the supposed "high-level" talks were club-to-club or within NUFC management about placing a bid or whatever.

[Optimistic Nut]

I'd be a lot happier about the "project" if there's at least one current, in their prime signing amongst them. Even a Jarrod Bowen and one or two like that alongside Jouaen, etc. 

[The Larch]

5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I'd be a lot happier about the "project" if there's at least one current, in their prime signing amongst them. Even a Jarrod Bowen and one or two like that alongside Jouaen, etc. 

Jarrod bowen would be wissa mk2.

[Joe1984]

Just now, The Larch said:

Jarrod bowen would be wissa mk2.

Bowen scores goals though...

[Optimistic Nut]

Just now, The Larch said:

Jarrod bowen would be wissa mk2.

 

What's that based on or are we just lumping any Premier League player over 28 in the same group?

[The Larch]

Just now, Joe1984 said:

Bowen scores goals though...

And he's going to be too old very soon, and be very expensive. 

 

Not the sort of signing we should be making in my opinion, for the same reasons we shouldnt have bought wissa.

[Joe1984]

Just now, The Larch said:

And he's going to be too old very soon, and be very expensive. 

 

Not the sort of signing we should be making in my opinion, for the same reasons we shouldnt have bought wissa.

Wasn't saying we should sign him.

 

But you compared him to Wissa!

 

Bowen got 9 goals and 11 assists in 38 games last season, for a relegated West Ham.

 

Wissa could only dream of those numbers...

[The Larch]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

What's that based on or are we just lumping any Premier League player over 28 in the same group?

Because wissa was good for brentford as his game suited their style. 

 

Bowen is good for west ham because he suits their style.

 

For us he'd be someone who costs a heap of money, for no resale value and a style that doesnt really suit us.

[The Larch]

1 minute ago, Joe1984 said:

Wasn't saying we should sign him.

 

But you compared him to Wissa!

 

Bowen got 9 goals and 11 assists in 38 games last season, for a relegated West Ham.

 

Wissa could only dream of those numbers...

Whats he done for England?

[Joe1984]

3 minutes ago, The Larch said:

Whats he done for England?

20 appearances 1 goal 1 assist.

 

Last season Wissa made 19 appearances for Newcastle with 1 goal and 1 assist.

[Optimistic Nut]

6 minutes ago, The Larch said:

Because wissa was good for brentford as his game suited their style. 

 

Bowen is good for west ham because he suits their style.

 

For us he'd be someone who costs a heap of money, for no resale value and a style that doesnt really suit us.

 

This reads like someone who would suit Howe's style. 

[The Larch]

1 minute ago, Joe1984 said:

20 appearances 1 goal 1 assist.

 

Last season Wissa made 19 appearances for Newcastle with 1 goal and 1 assist.

Like I said...wissa mk 2 😁

 

Sorry, im just being facetious, but I just see him being a big waste of money, and we shouldnt be spending big on someone at the end of their career.

[The Larch]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

This reads like someone who would suit Howe's style. 

There's no doubt hes a hard worker and eddie loves that. But thats not how we played last season. We were much slower and more technical (and crap).

 

If we continue with that style, it won't suit bowen for the same reason it doesnt suit wissa.

[The College Dropout]

15 hours ago, Skeletor said:

Tonali was cut price because Milan knew his suspension was coming.

He wasn't cut-price - at the time it was the biggest fee ever for an Italian player. Most Italian pressed thought the money was too good to turn down. Same as Isak.

 

At a point in time that looked like one of our major signals and markets. I think the club identified Serie A and Ligue 1 as leagues with high quality and potential players - often with international and CL experience - where we can price bully teams for players. Make offers the clubs would deem as absurd. And also look for players where main interest is from those leagues rather than PL where we have a better chance of winning.

 

Signed Botman & Bruno from Ligue 1 - only strong competition was from Milan for Botman. Wanted Etikite but gazumped by PSG - the only Ligue 1 club that could do that to us.

Signed Tonali from Serie A. Linked to Thiaw under the previous regime, linked to multuple Italian based defenders and of course strong links to Ederson.

 

All of these players identified to come in and play from the off using their experience from those leagues with the possible exception of Etikite.

 

We looked at England for young players (Hall) that could develop or opportunistic (Barnes & Pope - don't think we sign either without their clubs being relegated and them being available for decent fees) and often both (Tino & Gordon) players beyond the first window.

 

Last season - the strikers and Elanga went against that previous ethos.

 

With Ramsey and Thiaw - the best 2 so far - they broadly fit into the previous strategy. 

 

It's not so much a market. But previously we seemed to believe in our signings a lot more - taking more risks. From Isak, to Gordon, to Tonali - we didn't have tremendous evidence they could deliver or in Tonali's case adapt (Italians don't travel well idea) but we had conviction. We made few sacrifices in profile for all 3. Profile wise - Tonali is the perfect Howe midfielder, he's somehow not a perfect fit on the pitch but skills wise and mentality he's perfect which is why it's pretty much worked. Isak - almost the perfect Howe striker, can press, quick, finisher, play off the shoulder primarily but can link it up. And Gordon - crazy press, quick, direct. All 3 great on transition etc. For those 3 we spent a premium but basically got everything Howe would want in a player which is a big reason why all 3 would go for a big profit. perfect Howe players. I think Guehi was that as well - apart from height/aerial dominance, he was the perfect Howe player and would've been worth the premium.

 

 

Anyways getting a young Ligue 2(?) star feels like we are getting back on track a bit.

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, The Larch said:

There's no doubt hes a hard worker and eddie loves that. But thats not how we played last season. We were much slower and more technical (and crap).

 

If we continue with that style, it won't suit bowen for the same reason it doesnt suit wissa.

This was caused by teams sitting back. That's not how Howe actually wants to play.

[Dr Venkman]

58 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

Him always looking like he’s about to cry would be too much. Pass.

 

Mind he'd fit in on here. His face is NO become flesh.

[Dr Venkman]

44 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I think its pretty obvious both him and Milan knew what was coming, why else would he leave his beloved boyhood club for a seemingly cut price fee to come play for us? Not only that but everything you read and hear points to him being desperate to go back to Italy ahead of staying in this league.

 

No.

[J7]

31 minutes ago, The Larch said:

Jarrod bowen would be wissa mk2.

Why? Half the issue with Wissa was with how late he was signed, then the injury. Wasn’t worth anywhere near what we paid, but he’d have been far better in a normal season for him. Beyond age, there’s nothing to say Bowen would be anything like him anyway.

[The Larch]

Edit: posted elsewhere. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by The Larch

[The Larch]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This was caused by teams sitting back. That's not how Howe actually wants to play.

If you're right then we're in for another rough ride next season, because teams are going to do exactly the same thing when they play us.

[nufcjmc]

4 minutes ago, J7 said:

Why? Half the issue with Wissa was with how late he was signed, then the injury. Wasn’t worth anywhere near what we paid, but he’d have been far better in a normal season for him. Beyond age, there’s nothing to say Bowen would be anything like him anyway.

Wissa has been "fit" since Jan and despite no preseason we know preseason prep isn't 4 or 5  months long. 

 

I dont think signing older players should be an instant no but with current financial restrictions in place Bowen is 30 at the end of the year he's not wissa and has done amazing at his current club.

 

Would this translate elsewhere?

How big of a fee would they demand is there if no relegation clause?

If we signed him and got 4 years out of him and he left on a free Would that be financially wise or viable?

 

I can see why the club would be cautious about any older player. I have said this before no signing is a gaurentee slam dunk its all about mitigation and risk signing players with no resale value adds to that risk.

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, The Larch said:

If you're right then we're in for another rough ride next season, because teams are going to do exactly the same thing when they play us.

We also didn't sign players that fit that system well either. On paper - Elanga and Wissa work in a Howe style but they really don't. We need a gradual pivot to technical style. Eg quick players that can press but are better footballers than we have like a Szobo. Not inferior technicians like Elanga or Wissa.

[macphisto]

53 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I'd be a lot happier about the "project" if there's at least one current, in their prime signing amongst them. Even a Jarrod Bowen and one or two like that alongside Jouaen, etc. 

Agreed, not necessarily saying Bowen but one or two players like Burn and Trippier, arguably our two best pound-for-pound transfers under PIF. Players with top level experience bought for the here and now.

 

Definitely a market there for one or two experienced players who just don't "fit" at another club where we'd get 2-3 years of service. A very high risk market to operate but shouldn't be quickly discounted.

[The Larch]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We also didn't sign players that fit that system well either. On paper - Elanga and Wissa work in a Howe style but they really don't. We need a gradual pivot to technical style. Eg quick players that can press but are better footballers than we have like a Szobo. Not inferior technicians like Elanga or Wissa.

It looked to me like we were pushing for a more technical style last season.

 

We used to hit them on the break and throw in a speculative ball for someone to run onto, or at the edge of their box we'd do the trips/miggy/bruno triangle thing followed by a whip into the box. This season we've consistently seen a much slower build up, usually followed by a pass back to our defence.

 

In terms of how we've played...its either a feast or a famine at the back, with loads of us behind the ball absorbing pressure until we concede (as opposed to the previous front foot), or we're caught napping and have half the opposition team running at our defence with little to no cover from midfield.