SUPERTOON Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, SteV said: What you have to ask yourself is, do you think someone like this Brazilian kid would have enough of an immediate impact between now and the end of the season to justify weakening our summer position in return for that impact? Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn’t - I’d be inclined to lean towards the latter - so they decided not to pull the trigger. However, I don’t doubt if something happened to Isak, or someone we felt confident would have an immediate impact became available, we could slap £30m down tomorrow. He’s played less than 20 top level games, he probably wouldn’t have kicked a ball for us this season if we got him in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Nearly got one owa the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, Zero said: that alone deserves sacking. Guehi in exchange of Isak/Gordon/Bruno? What kinda suicidal plan is that? It's not normally that I agree with you but you are absolutely right in this instance. How can these rules be fair? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, SUPERTOON said: He’s played less than 20 top level games, he probably wouldn’t have kicked a ball for us this season if we got him in. Indeed, so like I say he’s more likely to be a Hall than a Bruno. That’s not not to say he might not have been a great signing but everything’s about weighing the risk of what you’re getting against the impact of your PSR position. Clearly we decided that short-term it wasn’t worth it (although possibly all mute anyway if Man City were always sniffing around). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Turnbull2000 said: Should we really be clearing out the likes of Targett, Kelly and Longstaff? Unless we're brining in direct replacements who improve on these, we need these squad players for cover and early round cup games. It's not like our squad is well padded out. We can definitely replace these players with cheap deals. An example is Kyle Walker-Peters, who will be a free agent this summer. He can play rb and cover lb. Villa got Tielemans on a free. We can definitely improve on Longstaff by signing someone like Angel Gomes. There is no excuse for Mitchell not to do this in the summer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 58 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said: Man City did us out of three CBs in one window? Sickna that. At least it bodes well for our scouting I suppose How? No original thought and just copying what the "best" do? I'd rather lose a player 20 clubs have identified who signs for City and find one no one spotted to make them think "wtf were we doing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunk Moreland Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, gjohnson said: How? No original thought and just copying what the "best" do? I'd rather lose a player 20 clubs have identified who signs for City and find one no one spotted to make them think "wtf were we doing" Aye I'm sure that's how our transfers work. Mitchell just sits refreshing Twitter to see who City are linked to and puts a cheeky bid in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 22 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: But either the players are worth it or they aren't, there's no reason to wait on signing a CB, we offered over £50m for Guehi. The issue is that teams like Man City and Chelsea are just allowed to do what they like even when they're being taken to court apparently. Yes and if we had signed Guehi we would have needed to panic sell before the end of June 2025 to avoid being in breach in that PSR period. Of course we have to wait and monitor to see how much we have to spend at any given time...its a constantly changing equation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 32 minutes ago, Zero said: Sorry, I don’t believe it. We have the Guehi budget, or we can structure a deferred deal like the Hall one if we want to. We aren’t THAT close to the ceiling, even unable to offer 30m for a position we badly need reinforcement. These stories don’t feel right to me. I hope it’s just bollocks from lazy journalism. If that’s genuinely sourced from the club then it does smell like bullshit expectation managmenet We didn't have the Guehi budget. It's been confirmed multiple times in the press. And there's no guarantee that a selling club would want to accept a deferred sale in the same manner as Hall. You have no idea how close or not we are to being able to afford a 30 million signing. The fact that zero clubs in the PL have made a 30 million plus signing with the exception of Man City should tell you all you need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, jonny1403 said: Yes and if we had signed Guehi we would have needed to panic sell before the end of June 2025 to avoid being in breach in that PSR period. Of course we have to wait and monitor to see how much we have to spend at any given time...its a constantly changing equation. So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. Numerous sources have confirmed that we would have needed to sell before June 2025 if we had bought Guehi. George Caulkin, the Athletic etc. I don't know what else to tell you if you don't believe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. I also don't see how it's hard to believe that City are able to sign that player and we aren't. They sold Alvarez for 70 million last summer and made 50 million from other sales. They were in the best PSR position in the league by a country mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: Numerous sources have confirmed that we would have needed to sell before June 2025 if we had bought Guehi. George Caulkin, the Athletic etc. I don't know what else to tell you if you don't believe that. It's not that I don't believe we'd have to sell, although I wouldn't take any of them for gospel, it's that we'd be 'panic selling'. I cannot imagine us going for Guehi without a pretty concrete plan. Edited January 28 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 We will learn a lot when the new accounts come out. We're now dealing with such old information, but the numbers are there and the math can be done. I don't know why every news article drums up another cycle of how do we have no money? I know it feels like an eternity since we bought anyone, but this is actually the first PSR cycle where we haven't done much. We didn't buy in January 2024 because we spent a lot (too much) in the summer of 2023, which we then had to offset in June. When I did the math in the summer I (very roughly) estimated we were at about 79% for UEFA's cost control metric. We need to be under 70%. UEFA runs on a calendar year so if we qualify for Europe then every day of 2025 is relevant. UEFA's rolling three-year acceptable losses are also more strict in terms of the limit than the PLs. The plus side for UEFA's rules is the punishments have at least some transparency (escalating fines) and historically have been comparatively lenient. The wild card in all of this is the uncertainty over what the PL rules will be for 2025/26, and it's not clear to me if the clubs even know exactly what they are working towards. If it is that 70% number to match UEFA then are you getting a point deduction if you are at 71%? Or is it only fines until 80%? Or is it the black box it is now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: I also don't see how it's hard to believe that City are able to sign that player and we aren't. They sold Alvarez for 70 million last summer and made 50 million from other sales. They were in the best PSR position in the league by a country mile. Again, I don't think PSR is the reason they've went to City. I think we're using those moves as PR. As I said I don't think that article makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: It's not that I don't believe we'd have to sell, although I wouldn't take any of them for gospel, it's that we'd be 'panic selling'. I cannot imagine us going for Guehi without a pretty concrete plan. Yep that's a good point. You'd certainly hope that we had something concrete in place to avoid a repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Again, I don't think PSR is the reason they've went to City. I think we're using those moves as PR. As I said I don't think that article makes sense. City are the only club in the league that have made a signing for more than 20 million. I think it's pretty clear they are the only club that have the flexibility to spend large amounts without worrying about what happens in the summer. I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: We will learn a lot when the new accounts come out. We're now dealing with such old information, but the numbers are there and the math can be done. I don't know why every news article drums up another cycle of how do we have no money? I know it feels like an eternity since we bought anyone, but this is actually the first PSR cycle where we haven't done much. We didn't buy in January 2024 because we spent a lot (too much) in the summer of 2023, which we then had to offset in June. When I did the math in the summer I (very roughly) estimated we were at about 79% for UEFA's cost control metric. We need to be under 70%. UEFA runs on a calendar year so if we qualify for Europe then every day of 2025 is relevant. UEFA's rolling three-year acceptable losses are also more strict in terms of the limit than the PLs. The plus side for UEFA's rules is the punishments have at least some transparency (escalating fines) and historically have been comparatively lenient. The wild card in all of this is the uncertainty over what the PL rules will be for 2025/26, and it's not clear to me if the clubs even know exactly what they are working towards. If it is that 70% number to match UEFA then are you getting a point deduction if you are at 71%? Or is it only fines until 80%? Or is it the black box it is now? Exactly. Last summer we needed to sell urgently to be compliant. This window we don't need to sell so we are in a better position, but we also can't buy without further sales. In the summer, we'll be in a better position still as we'll be in a new PSR window and be able to buy again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said: Should we really be clearing out the likes of Targett, Kelly and Longstaff? Unless we're brining in direct replacements who improve on these, we need these squad players for cover and early round cup games. It's not like our squad is well padded out. I think Longstaff is currently our only good option behind the 3 in midfield? Willock not looking convincing after the injuries, and Miley is still very young. Midfield is probably the most important position to have some cover for, as we're play with 3 of them who can get injured at any time. Edited January 28 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 So many pages since I last looked. Any actual stories? I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, The College Dropout said: So many pages since I last looked. Any actual stories? I doubt it. We’ve made a bid for Openda from Leipzig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Luckily Forest rejected our bid for Elanga.. Would have been crazy to bring in Elanga only to sell Gordon/Bruno in June Edited January 28 by johnny36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, johnny36 said: Luckily Forest rejected out bid for Elanga.. Would have been crqzy to bring in Elanga only to sell Gordon/Bruno in June That was primarily to do a FFP swap deal with Anderson I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, The College Dropout said: That was primarily to do a FFP swap deal with Anderson I believe. We bid for him on deadline day, long after Anderson had been sold. Think we tried to include Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 50 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said: Aye I'm sure that's how our transfers work. Mitchell just sits refreshing Twitter to see who City are linked to and puts a cheeky bid in. I know your trying to be ironic, but would you actually be surprised if that wasnt the case? They've got the same information and data pot we do, so the only difference is available cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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