Marc Guehi

[Zero]

7 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Ok. From whenever I’ve seen him. He’s quick, very strong and aggressive into the tackle, extremely comfortable on the ball, great recovery pace for either his error or another player’s and ability to sweep. I also think he will continue to improve as a player. As he is 24 and has his peak years ahead of him at the position. So that needs to be factored in. 
 

Not good today and

not great in the air, I don’t think anyone is disputing that. 
 

Try and read posts properly next time. I said ‘in today’s market’. Why are you comparing past transfer fees from years gone by and ignoring inflation and the fact players go for more and more every single season. 
 

I suppose Enzo Fernandez and Caicedo are the best centre mids in the world as they cost £120m apiece?

 

 

 

Now I got a genuine question. Those strength you mentioned are correct, I did observe it in todays game. But why would that fit in our system? What you describe looks like a great LCB or RCB in a 3 centre back formation - just like Palace or Southgate’s national team. Howe didn’t use 343 or 3421 often. 
 

Did he ever look good in a 2 CB formation? Not good in air - I think at the very least he would be better than Schar so fine.

 

 

I won’t reply the rest. You completely got it wrong. I was saying we, Newcastle, under the PSR limitation, is fucking idiotic to spend all our budget on someone that is close to the finish article but not dominating the league like VVD @ Soton, and doesn’t look like transforming our whole team like what VVD did. So we should revert back to our original way to be patient and find and develop another Botman. Ok?

[Toon1892]

7 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

It’s not best centre half in the world money though, it’s less than Maguire went for years ago, it’s less than Chelsea paid Leicester for Wesley Fofana again several years ago, ffs Man Utd have paid similar money for an 18 year old centre half with very limited games this very season

Similar money? Just the 30% less for a player with a far greater ceiling.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

 Kind of hope this drags out to deadline day so we can see just exactly how insane people will go. 

Could easy get to 250 pages on this thread 

[Lush Vlad]

5 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Not that many. The highest transfer fee this whole summer is £65m.

 

Other than Brighton clubs have spent less this summer than the last few windows. PSR/FFP will cause transfer fees to drop as we are seeing now.

 

I honestly don’t think the list would be that long. Arsenal have just signed one of the best defenders in Europe for £37M.

I am talking about if a player that cost £40-50-60m or whatever x amount of years ago. If you adjust that for inflation. Then you would have a lot of players coming up over £70m. 
 

Not really sure what is so hard to understand about that. But you and Zero seem to completely miss this point or just deliberately talking about something else. 
 

So on that. I’ll bow out. As it’s giving me a headache typing out the same shit over and over again. 
 

[Menace]

For every Saliba theres a Shkodran Mustafi

[Lush Vlad]

7 minutes ago, Zero said:

Now I got a genuine question. Those strength you mentioned are correct, I did observe it in todays game. But why would that fit in our system? What you describe looks like a great LCB or RCB in a 3 centre back formation - just like Palace or Southgate’s national team. Howe didn’t use 343 or 3421 often. 
 

Did he ever look good in a 2 CB formation? Not good in air - I think at the very least he would be better than Schar so fine.

 

 

I won’t reply the rest. You completely got it wrong. I was saying we, Newcastle, under the PSR limitation, is fucking idiotic to spend all our budget on someone that is close to the finish article but not dominating the league like VVD @ Soton, and doesn’t look like transforming our whole team like what VVD did. So we should revert back to our original way to be patient and find and develop another Botman. Ok?

Seeing as you seem to love a scouting report. Please provide reports on players as good or better and for less money. Please also explain how they’ll fit into Howe’s system. 
 

Could send it all to the club. Tell them their scouting network is shit and we’re wasting our money on Guehi. 

[Toon1892]

2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I am talking about if a player that cost £40-50-60m or whatever x amount of years ago. If you adjust that for inflation. Then you would have a lot of players coming up over £70m. 
 

Not really sure what is so hard to understand about that. But you and Zero seem to completely miss this point or just deliberately talking about something else. 
 

So on that. I’ll bow out. As it’s giving me a headache typing out the same shit over and over again. 
 

Ok, I’ll sit back and wait for all these £100M CB’s that will be bought/ sold.

 

I don’t think there’ll be many…

[Toon1892]

Just now, Lush Vlad said:

Seeing as you seem to love a scouting report. Please provide reports on players as good or better and for less money. Please also explain how they’ll fit into Howe’s system. 
 

Could send it all to the club. Tell them their scouting network is shit and we’re wasting our money on Guehi. 

Calafiori?

[Shadow Puppets]

9 minutes ago, tinoasprilla said:

How long till Botman is back?

Late October / early November earliest.

[Kanj]

8 minutes ago, Zero said:

Now I got a genuine question. Those strength you mentioned are correct, I did observe it in todays game. But why would that fit in our system? What you describe looks like a great LCB or RCB in a 3 centre back formation - just like Palace or Southgate’s national team. Howe didn’t use 343 or 3421 often. 
 

Did he ever look good in a 2 CB formation? Not good in air - I think at the very least he would be better than Schar so fine.

 

 

I won’t reply the rest. You completely got it wrong. I was saying we, Newcastle, under the PSR limitation, is fucking idiotic to spend all our budget on someone that is close to the finish article but not dominating the league like VVD @ Soton, and doesn’t look like transforming our whole team like what VVD did. So we should revert back to our original way to be patient and find and develop another Botman. Ok?

Between this and Minteh, are you ok? You just want to pick a bloody fight over this topic every day?

[Kanj]

14 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Not that many. The highest transfer fee this whole summer is £65m.

 

Other than Brighton clubs have spent less this summer than the last few windows. PSR/FFP will cause transfer fees to drop as we are seeing now.

 

I honestly don’t think the list would be that long. Arsenal have just signed one of the best defenders in Europe for £37M.

Excuse me, you’re now claiming Califiori is one of the best defenders in Europe? He’s had a great 12 months but there is far more for him to prove in this league, system etc. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

13 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Similar money? Just the 30% less for a player with a far greater ceiling.

£58M is 70% of £65 m now is it? And how the fuck can you honestly tell the "ceiling" of an 18 year old who hasn’t actually played much men’s football?

 

Honestly you’d think some on here had decades of experience working in football analytics they way they speak with such utter authority. 
 

Take the Saliba for £27M example used earlier, he was bought for that in 2019 (so adjust for football inflation for a start), then had to go back on loan to France for a season before becoming an Arsenal regular in 2022/23, can we afford to spend £30m+ for someone who might be a first team player in 2028?

We might not like it, but after missing out on Tosin, we are going to have to pay a premium to get a PL proven ready centre half in Guehi now

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2024 by Ghandis Flip-Flop

[Zero]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Between this and Minteh, are you ok? You just want to pick a bloody fight over this topic every day?

how about try to imagine the reaction here if today is Guehi first game for us after the 70m move? I guarantee it would be hundred times worse than this

[Kanj]

Just now, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

£58M is 70% of £65 m now is it? And how the fuck can you honestly tell the "ceiling" of an 18 year old who hasn’t actually played much men’s football?

 

Honestly you’d think some on here had decades of experience working in football analytics they way they speak with such utter authority. 
 

Take the Saliba for £27M example used earlier, he was bought for that in 2019 (so adjust for football inflation for a start), then had to go back on loan to France for a season before becoming an Arsenal regular in 2022/23, can we afford to spend £30m+ for someone who might be a first team player in 2028?

We might not like it, but after missing out on Tosin, why we are going to have to pay a premium to get a PL proven ready centre half in Guehi now

 

Tosin sat on the bench today too  

[Kanj]

Just now, Zero said:

how about try to imagine the reaction here if today is Guehi first game for us after the 70m move? I guarantee it would be hundred times worse than this

It wouldn’t, and those who would be up in arms are the same ones over and over and over again. The ones freak over nothing. Funny enough, seems like a lot of the English players from the euros are having a bit of a rough go of match day 1. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Tosin sat on the bench today too  

With another CB who will also start ahead of him. 

[Kanj]

And some of you have been on this forum for ages, fucking chill with this constant shit. There’s not a soul here who knows more than Mitchell or Eales. Fair to armchair and analyze and criticize but at some point the same fucking point takes away from discussion and it becomes nonsensical and repetitive. You’re winning nobody over if you spend 3 months saying the same shit. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Not sure about the ‘ceiling’ stuff - feels a bit like playing too much Champ Man.  Some players develop far beyond what might have originally been anticipated - if we look at our own legends, I wonder what Keegan’s ‘ceiling’ was at 18 - a man who basically became a great player through willpower and work. 

[Toon1892]

5 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Excuse me, you’re now claiming Califiori is one of the best defenders in Europe? He’s had a great 12 months but there is far more for him to prove in this league, system etc. 

has a go at someone else ‘starting a fight’. Starts next post with ‘excuse me’.

 

Califiori was just named in the Serie A team of the season. Hes not tested in the premier league yet but over the last 12 months he was one of the best cb’s in Europe…

[Toon1892]

8 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

£58M is 70% of £65 m now is it? And how the fuck can you honestly tell the "ceiling" of an 18 year old who hasn’t actually played much men’s football?

 

Honestly you’d think some on here had decades of experience working in football analytics they way they speak with such utter authority. 
 

Take the Saliba for £27M example used earlier, he was bought for that in 2019 (so adjust for football inflation for a start), then had to go back on loan to France for a season before becoming an Arsenal regular in 2022/23, can we afford to spend £30m+ for someone who might be a first team player in 2028?

We might not like it, but after missing out on Tosin, we are going to have to pay a premium to get a PL proven ready centre half in Guehi now

 

 

 

 

Read your post back. Put emphasis on ‘Honestly you’d think some on here had decades of experience working in football analytics they way they speak with such utter authority.’ And try to see the irony lol

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

5 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Read your post back. Put emphasis on ‘Honestly you’d think some on here had decades of experience working in football analytics they way they speak with such utter authority.’ And try to see the irony lol

What for trusting the professionals at the club know more than me and some on here? I think you need to learn what irony is mate

[Toon1892]

4 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

What for trusting the professionals at the club know more than me and some on here? I think you need to learn what irony is mate

Apologies for saying I don’t think Guehi is worth £70M. I’ll try not to disagree with you again.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

4 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Apologies for saying I don’t think Guehi is worth £70M. I’ll try not to disagree with you again.

You’re shouting into the void, for what it’s worth it would appear those at the club agree with you; given by all accounts we've not bid anywhere near £70M

[simonsays]

How much would people be expecting us to get for pre injury Botman if a big club came calling?  I'm going to go out on a limb and say if it was less than £65m then the majority would say that wasn't enough?;

[KennyUtd]

56 minutes ago, Kanji said:

And some of you have been on this forum for ages, fucking chill with this constant shit. There’s not a soul here who knows more than Mitchell or Eales. Fair to armchair and analyze and criticize but at some point the same fucking point takes away from discussion and it becomes nonsensical and repetitive. You’re winning nobody over if you spend 3 months saying the same shit. 

Fkn hell mate, did The Toby run out of Yorkshire puds? It's all good fun and speculation man. Just relax and enjoy it all.