Cameron would like to bring terraces back

[Tooj]

Link?

[Guest TheDutchman]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

 

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

[Nobby]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

[Nobby]

Link?

 

edited into 1st post mate

[madras]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

prove it

[Guest TheDutchman]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

When I see the words working class I think of factory workers like back in the old days. People who work in The City are also "workin class" but I think they all vote for the Torys, or am I wrong?

[Nobby]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

When I see the words working class I think of factory workers like back in the old days. People who work in The City are also "workin class" but I think they all vote for the Torys, or am I wrong?

 

well i'm not working class but i am proud to come from a working class family. people i work with will probably vote Tory. people from the north will vote Labour though

[Guest TheDutchman]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

When I see the words working class I think of factory workers like back in the old days. People who work in The City are also "workin class" but I think they all vote for the Torys, or am I wrong?

 

well i'm not working class but i am proud to come from a working class family. people i work with will probably vote Tory. people from the north will vote Labour though

Exactly the same for me. My dads grew up in a labour family from Amsterdam. The whole family votes Labour and altough I aint working class either I ll always vote for a labour party. When are the elections in England?

[Nobby]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

When I see the words working class I think of factory workers like back in the old days. People who work in The City are also "workin class" but I think they all vote for the Torys, or am I wrong?

 

well i'm not working class but i am proud to come from a working class family. people i work with will probably vote Tory. people from the north will vote Labour though

Exactly the same for me. My dads grew up in a labour family from Amsterdam. The whole family votes Labour and altough I aint working class either I ll always vote for a labour party. When are the elections in England?

 

there must be a general election at least every five years, and the most recent one was on 5 May 2005,  date for this cannot be verified until it is called by the Prime Minister.

[indi]

The British Labour Party is related to labour in name only nowadays. They've well and truly betrayed their routes. No different to the Tories now.

[Nobby]

i will never ever vote for them after Maggie

 

Talking about politics, what more do you have next to Labour and Torys? Those 2 are the only parties I hear about in Holland.

 

green party who get about 2 votes, lib dems which gets about 3, bnp

 

I guess you are a Labour man? In Holland the socialistic party was a big winner at the latest elections together with an party of the (imo almost extrme)right.

 

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

prove it

 

much more so than Tory

[Nobby]

as Mark Knopfler says

 

We had the back of Maggie's hand,

Times were tough in Geordieland.

[Guest TheDutchman]

as Mark Knopfler says

 

We had the back of Maggie's hand,

Times were tough in Geordieland.

 

Are you from a miner family?

[Guest Sniffer]

Or a dole waller family looking for handouts?

[brummie]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

[1878]

The British Labour Party is related to labour in name only nowadays. They've well and truly betrayed their routes. No different to the Tories now.

 

I'd still always rather vote Labour. I'd feel dirty if I voted Tory.

 

Not even in a sexy way either.

[Guest thenorthumbrian]

Is this a good thing?

 

Do we need to bring them back?

 

It wont change the atmosphere unless standing is cheap as dirt and then you'd get the more 'risky' football fans back in the grounds.

 

 

 

Agreed, I reckon there might be more than a little bit of "things were better when I were a lad" style sentimentality in the enthusiasm for bringing back standing at the footy. It's not the introduction of sitting down that has forced the traditional fan away from the grounds, (do their legs not bend in the middle, or something!?!) it's the vastly inflated ticket prices. I suspect some of the clubs that support the idea just see it as a way of squeezing more people into the ground and therefore increasing revenue without having to shell-out to make the ground larger. With the current popularity for standing they could probably charge the same as for a seat, maybe even more, to those who want to stand!!

 

Exactly when players moan about lack of atmosphere (remember thr "prawn sandwich" crack from Roy Keane about the dead atmoshere at Manure) well its so the footballers can get their obscene wages that the clubs have grovelled to the coorperate whores.

Would players accept pay cuts to allow cheaper tickets for the fans ?

would they fuck.

And Eton is a hotbed of football support isn't it ?

So Cameron can fuck right off.

[womblemaster]

is it me or does anyone else thing cameron is bisexual?  theres just something creepy about him....

 

i cant really imagine him in a football ground.  Just he support chelsea??

[Troll]

I heard that they're more likely to adapt the German model of terracing, which looks like this:

 

http://www.truststfc.co.uk/img/standing.jpg

 

So it's similar to what we have now, just more room to stand in front of our seats, plus a barrier.  The problem I see with it is that it will cost a lot to switch a whole ground over to that, and it'd probably reduce a stadium's capacity.  I don't think clubs would go for it if it meant selling less tickets.

[Nobby]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

[indi]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

 

Ask yourself if Tony believes in any of that and you'll understand why he's laughing.

[Nobby]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

 

Ask yourself if Tony believes in any of that and you'll understand why he's laughing.

 

i said Labour not Tony

[indi]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

 

Ask yourself if Tony believes in any of that and you'll understand why he's laughing.

 

i said Labour not Tony

 

And the difference is?

[Nobby]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

 

Ask yourself if Tony believes in any of that and you'll understand why he's laughing.

 

i said Labour not Tony

 

And the difference is?

 

Tony will not be there next time. we were talking about who we WILL vote for

[PM]

Labour is for the working class, so yes,

 

;D ;D

 

 

problem?

 

The left has traditionally been concerned with the lower classes and with combatting perceived oppression. Thus the industrial revolution saw left-wing politics become associated with the conditions and rights of workers in the new industries. This led to movements around social democracy, socialism and trade unionism. More recently, the left has criticized what it perceives as the exploitative nature of current forms of globalization, e.g. the rise of sweatshops and the "race to the bottom", and either has sought to promote more just forms of globalization, such as fair trade, or has sought to allow nation-states to "delink" or break free of the global economy.

 

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics#Left-wing_issues_2