Problems at Man ure game

[Skirge]

The ref can allow a quick free kick (I think, waits for Mosley) and a quick freekick will mean no whistle, usualy sorted between ref and free kick taker, thing is not all refs do this, some will make you wait until they are ready for you to take it.

I say stamp out quick free kicks!!

[Dokko]

The ref can allow a quick free kick (I think, waits for Mosley) and a quick freekick will mean no whistle, usualy sorted between ref and free kick taker, thing is not all refs do this, some will make you wait until they are ready for you to take it.

I say stamp out quick free kicks!!

 

 

Bit of a shit rule!

 

I always thought the ref had to blow the whistle, seems unfair the ref can liaise with the free-kick taker while the opposition are standing about sorting out the wall and keeper positioning himself.

 

But if memory serves i'm sure i've thought that thought before, so you are probably spot on.

 

 

[Rich]

Free-kicks would be advantage enough if referees kept the wall back the full ten yards, it's absolutely ridiculous how they do not seem to follow this rule on some of the biggest stages.

 

I know it's a bit rugby-esque but why can't they walk ten yards and drop some sort of marker so that they know exactly where to stand the wall and so that the members of the wall know that they can't go beyond it? Doesn't have to be anything huge, or obstrusive, there must be something that can be done.

 

If free-kicks were set-up properly then there'd be no need to take them quickly.

[GeordieDazzler]

Most teams stand infront of the ball for a while and wait to be ordered back to avoid things like this and also sometimes put a player on the post. Watch any prem game and 99% of players make sure that they dont take them quickly. Lille weren't wiley enough tbh.

[Cronky]

With 90 % of free kicks in the various parts of the pitch, there's no whistle before the kick is taken. It only becomes complicated when the ref has to delay the kick in order for the defenders to be pushed back. It's the same kind of delay as when a ref has to book someone. Play can't go on while the ref is doing something else. No whistle is the general procedure. There's no rule that says that when a player is using a free kick to take a shot at goal that the ref needs to blow first.

 

It really surprises me when people who are professionally involved with the game - coaches, players and TV commentators - don't know the rules. Last night the commentator didn't know what the rule was, and needed to be corrected by Pleat.

 

Last week-end, a commentator was claiming that a player wasn't offside because the ball touched a defender on its way to him. That rule was changed in about 1990.

[Cronky]

Alex Ferguson going mad at Neville, completely making him look like a little kid, was hilarious.

 

Lille were about to shoot themselves in the foot by walking off, and Neville rushes over there to try and stop them. What an idiot. No wonder Ferguson went mad at him.

[Skirge]

I have had a look for any official rule on quick free kicks and there does not seem to be one, I thought the whistle was used on direct free kicks but not in indirect ones but it does look as though how it is done is left up to the ref on the day.

 

From Fifa.com

Law 13 - Free Kicks

 

Types of Free Kicks

 

Free kicks are either direct or indirect. For both direct and indirect free kicks, the ball must be stationary when the kick is taken and the kicker does not touch the ball a second time until it has touched another player.

 

The Direct Free Kick

 

    * if a direct free kick is kicked directly into the opponents’ goal, a goal is awarded

    * if a direct free kick is kicked directly into the team’s own goal, a corner kick is awarded to the opposing team

 

The Indirect Free Kick

 

Signal

 

The referee indicates an indirect free kick by raising his arm above his head. He maintains his arm in that position until the kick has been taken and the ball has touched another player or goes out of play.

 

Ball Enters the Goal

 

A goal can be scored only if the ball subsequently touches another player before it enters the goal.

 

    * if an indirect free kick is kicked directly into the opponents’ goal, a goal kick is awarded

    * if an indirect free kick is kicked directly into the team’s own goal, a corner kick is awarded to the opposing team

 

Position of Free Kick

 

Free Kick Inside the Penalty Area

 

Direct or indirect free kick to the defending team:

 

    * all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball

    * all opponents remain outside the penalty area until the ball is in play

    * the ball is in play when it is kicked directly beyond the penalty area

    * a free kick awarded in the goal area is taken from any point inside that area

 

Indirect free kick to the attacking team:

 

    * all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball until it is in play, unless they are on their own goal line between the goalposts

    * the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves

    * an indirect free kick awarded inside the goal area is taken from that part of the goal area line which runs parallel to the goal line, at the point nearest to where the infringement occurred

 

Free Kick Outside the Penalty Area

 

    * all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball until it is in play

    * the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves

    * the free kick is taken from the place where the infringement occurred

 

Infringements/Sanctions

 

If, when a free kick is taken, an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance:

 

    * the kick is retaken

 

If, when a free kick is taken by the defending team from inside its own penalty area, the ball is not kicked directly into play:

 

    * the kick is retaken

 

Free kick taken by a player other than the goalkeeper

 

If, after the ball is in play, the kicker touches the ball a second time (except with his hands) before it has touched another player:

 

    * an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

 

If, after the ball is in play, the kicker deliberately handles the ball before it has touched another player:

 

    * a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

    * a penalty kick is awarded if the infringement occurred inside the kicker’s penalty area

 

Free kick taken by the goalkeeper

 

If, after the ball is in play, the goalkeeper touches the ball a second time (except with his hands), before it has touched another player:

 

    * an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

 

If, after the ball is in play, the goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball before it has touched another player:

 

    * a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if the infringement occurred outside the goalkeeper’s penalty area, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

    * an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if the infringement occurred inside the goalkeeper’s penalty area, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred

[Dave]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6386583.stm

 

Lille blame crush on fake tickets 

 

Lille have blamed Manchester United for the supply of counterfeit tickets which led to apparent overcrowding at Tuesday's Champions League game.

United fans seemed to be pushed against a high fence while police fired tear gas at those trying to climb over it.

 

Lille director general Xavier Thuilot claimed United's early distribution of tickets allowed fakes to be produced but United have rejected his claims.

 

"All the forged tickets on the night were Man Utd tickets," said Thuilot.

 

Thuilot told a news conference on Thursday: "We sent their quota of places to Manchester several weeks ago, as is the usual thing to do.

 

"But the English club, instead of distributing the tickets to their supporters on their arrival at the stadium (or) on their descent from the bus, sent them out a month ago.

 

"The result - some very good forgeries, which have allowed some supporters to enter the stand reserved for them."

 

However, a Manchester United club spokesman said: "Tickets were distributed by recorded delivery 11 days before the game or for collection from 1 February.

 

"We would normally send out tickets for our home games at Old Trafford six weeks before the match and we have no problems with forgeries."

 

Uefa has launched an investigation into the events surrounding the controversial match at the Stade Felix-Bollaert and its control and disciplinary body will discuss the safety and security issues on 22 March.

 

The police have been accused of being heavy-handed after firing tear gas and swinging truncheons at those who were trying to climb over the fence.

 

But Damien Vanoise, the chief of security at the Felix-Bollaert, defended their actions.

 

"I think we responded to what happened," he told French radio station RTL.

 

"There was not even a problem of communication. From the moment we saw the supporters who were trying to pull on the railings, what is the interpretation we can make from that - us, as security guards? For me, it is violent behaviour."

 

He added: "I can tell you that nobody was crushed in the wire fencing.

 

"There weren't too many people in that stand. The stand was not full."