Eriksson For Toon

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

I remember the days when Alf Ramsay and Glenn Hoddle were chuffed to bits with their competitive wins against Azebaijan and Lichtenstein

 

f****** ridiculous

 

You also remember that England reach any quarter final under Hoddle?

 

f****** ridiculous

 

 

good point. we spent millions and went what? 1 match further.

Still did better then didn't he?

 

f*** me how obtuse can you get? Do you honeslty believe that was worth the money that was spent. Do you honestly think that was his stated goal when he interviewed for the job? Do you honestly think the FA were pleased with their return?

Do you think paying him that much should have guarenteed England winning the World Cup? Unless I've missed your point - what was it again?

 

that he's s****? I believe his stated aim was to win the world cup. I know that all he actually achieved was to beat a top 10 side twice, while losing 4 times.

 

There are people on here who think more money = more right to success, I'm not one of them

So, do you think his England salary is relevant or not?

 

That's a bit mean of you Alex, to be rubbing it in after Vix has jus scored an own goal..

 

how the fuck is it an own goal you tit? There are people who think money = succes, I'm not one of them, but I thinks it's plenty fucking relevant how much he was paid when the manager you want to employ will want millions, on the back of 'reaching quarter-finals' as these tards are putting it

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

[Unbelievable]

The ball has crossed the line, no doubt about it.. "Do you honeslty believe that was worth the money that was spent." to "There are people on here who think more money = more right to success, I'm not one of them" just doesn't compute..

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

I remember the days when Alf Ramsay and Glenn Hoddle were chuffed to bits with their competitive wins against Azebaijan and Lichtenstein

 

f****** ridiculous

 

You also remember that England reach any quarter final under Hoddle?

 

f****** ridiculous

 

 

good point. we spent millions and went what? 1 match further. Great. You know Souness managed to get to quarter finals don't you?

 

Boy do England spent millions on buying players :lol::lol: I know you are trying to be stupid but even a fool NE5 realised that players are dearer than managers ... sigh

 

so your not going to come back to me on the original point then? You're just going to come out with obvious shite to defend your ridiculous viewpoints? No comment about Alf Ramsey playing Lichtenstein? No comment about Souness reaching a quarter final?

 

fcking manc lover

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

The ball has crossed the line, no doubt about it.. "Do you honeslty believe that was worth the money that was spent." to "There are people on here who think more money = more right to success, I'm not one of them" just doesn't compute..

 

you're confusing right to success, with actual performance achieved given the money spent

 

[Guest alex]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

[Guest alex]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

I can check it if you want. I was using my knowledge/memory from football in the past. I appreciate you won't be able to relate to that

Anyway, how are they facts? What definition of a 'top 10 side' are you using?

[Parky]

The ball has crossed the line, no doubt about it.. "Do you honeslty believe that was worth the money that was spent." to "There are people on here who think more money = more right to success, I'm not one of them" just doesn't compute..

 

you're confusing right to success, with actual performance achieved given the money spent

 

 

His wages are a red herring here...Vic is using it as a diversionary tactic. First Mourinho is shit and now SGE is under the Vic cosh as well.....Where will it end...?

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

I can check it if you want. I was using my knowledge/memory from football in the past. I appreciate you won't be able to relate to that

Anyway, how are they facts? What definition of a 'top 10 side' are you using?

 

how many do you have?

 

ftr:

 

1 Argentina

2 Italy

3 Brazil

4 France

5 Germany

6 England

7 The Netherlands

8 Portugal

9 Czech Republic

10 Spain

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

 

Strange though it may seem to you, winning games and qualifying for the major tournaments is what a national team manager's job is about.

[Guest Phil K]

Prefer Houllier, but Ericsson would be a better bet than Roeder.

The club needs more than a poxy manager change ?

Certainly.

But it DOES still need a change of a poxy manager.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

 

Strange though it may seem to you, winning games and qualifying for the major tournaments is what a national team manager's job is about.

 

Strange as though it appears to you, the quality of opposition is a big factor in whether you win those games

[Guest Phil K]

it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

Absolutely correct despite those trying (unsuccesfully I might add) to gainsay you.

90% of the English players are MASSIVELY over-rated.

Ferdinand for example is a classic example of what you're talking of.

Lampard...etc etc etc. And YES - INCLUDING Beckham.

 

But frankly, Ericsson isn't worth a quarter of what he'd be asking for. Houllier would come a LOT cheaper - and be BETTER.

[Parky]

England lack true creativtiy which is what you need to beat a top 10 side. We just don't have it at the highest level.

[Guest Phil K]

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

I note you happily ignore Argentina (3-2) and Germany (Need I remind you)

Cherrypicking isnt proof.

And note - McClaren has been effing useless against teams similar to those you mention.

The point he makes stands.

[Delima]

I remember the days when Alf Ramsay and Glenn Hoddle were chuffed to bits with their competitive wins against Azebaijan and Lichtenstein

 

f****** ridiculous

 

You also remember that England reach any quarter final under Hoddle?

 

f****** ridiculous

 

 

good point. we spent millions and went what? 1 match further. Great. You know Souness managed to get to quarter finals don't you?

 

Boy do England spent millions on buying players :lol::lol: I know you are trying to be stupid but even a fool NE5 realised that players are dearer than managers ... sigh

 

so your not going to come back to me on the original point then? You're just going to come out with obvious s**** to defend your ridiculous viewpoints? No comment about Alf Ramsey playing Lichtenstein? No comment about Souness reaching a quarter final?

 

fcking manc lover

 

:lol::lol::lol: Mr Vic, you replied to my comment with you money issue and now you expect me to ignore you because you were being silly?

 

Did I say SGE is any better than Alf Ramsay? Slap yourself once.

 

Souness reached UEFA Cup semi-final SVG reached European Cup final. Slapped yourself twice.

 

PS I am a smog, so said Stevie. Torn between you and Stevie, Manc and Smog, I think I would prefer to be a Mackem.

[Guest alex]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

I can check it if you want. I was using my knowledge/memory from football in the past. I appreciate you won't be able to relate to that

Anyway, how are they facts? What definition of a 'top 10 side' are you using?

 

how many do you have?

 

ftr:

 

1 Argentina

2 Italy

3 Brazil

4 France

5 Germany

6 England

7 The Netherlands

8 Portugal

9 Czech Republic

10 Spain

 

 

You see Vic, I can remember Robson not qualifying for Euro '84 in France and losing all 3 games in Euro '88 and going out against the first 'top 10 team' we played in the knockout stage of both the 1986 and 1990 World Cups. Not having a go at SBR or his managerial talent in any way. Just showing how applying selective criteria proves very little.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

I note you happily ignore Argentina (3-2) and Germany (Need I remind you)

Cherrypicking isnt proof.

And note - McClaren has been effing useless against teams similar to those you mention.

The point he makes stands.

 

have you even read this thread?

[Guest Phil K]

have you even read this thread?

In part only, to be honest - why ?

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

I remember the days when Alf Ramsay and Glenn Hoddle were chuffed to bits with their competitive wins against Azebaijan and Lichtenstein

 

f****** ridiculous

 

You also remember that England reach any quarter final under Hoddle?

 

f****** ridiculous

 

 

good point. we spent millions and went what? 1 match further. Great. You know Souness managed to get to quarter finals don't you?

 

Boy do England spent millions on buying players :lol::lol: I know you are trying to be stupid but even a fool NE5 realised that players are dearer than managers ... sigh

 

so your not going to come back to me on the original point then? You're just going to come out with obvious s**** to defend your ridiculous viewpoints? No comment about Alf Ramsey playing Lichtenstein? No comment about Souness reaching a quarter final?

 

fcking manc lover

 

:lol::lol::lol: Mr Vic, you replied to my comment with you money issue and now you expect me to ignore you because you were being silly?

 

wtf are you on about you eejit? You honeslty think replying to a point made about the money employing an England manager is SILLY? And when countered with your ludicrous comment about buying England players, it even deserves a response?

 

Did I say SGE is any better than Alf Ramsay? Slap yourself once.

 

from the wiki you posted:

 

67 matches spanning over 5 years with only 5 competitive losses (3 inside 90 mins). This record is only beaten by Sir Alf Ramsey and Glenn Hoddle, excluding Caretaker managers.

 

Souness reached UEFA Cup semi-final SVG reached European Cup final. Slapped yourself twice.

 

from above:

 

"You also remember that England reach any quarter final under Hoddle?"

 

PS I am a smog, so said Stevie. Torn between you and Stevie, Manc and Smog, I think I would prefer to be a Mackem.

 

insult to mackems

 

 

 

 

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

have you even read this thread?

In part only, to be honest - why ?

 

it might help you when you claim I've ignored comething I blatantly haven't

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

I can check it if you want. I was using my knowledge/memory from football in the past. I appreciate you won't be able to relate to that

Anyway, how are they facts? What definition of a 'top 10 side' are you using?

 

how many do you have?

 

ftr:

 

1 Argentina

2 Italy

3 Brazil

4 France

5 Germany

6 England

7 The Netherlands

8 Portugal

9 Czech Republic

10 Spain

 

 

You see Vic, I can remember Robson not qualifying for Euro '84 in France and losing all 3 games in Euro '88 and going out against the first 'top 10 team' we played in the knockout stage of both the 1986 and 1990 World Cups. Not having a go at SBR or his managerial talent in any way. Just showing how applying selective criteria proves very little.

 

yet you have no problem with the statement SGE only lost 4 matches in 5 years? interesting

 

 

[Guest Phil K]

have you even read this thread?

In part only, to be honest - why ?

 

it might help you when you claim I've ignored comething I blatantly haven't

Blimey - you have a long winded way to get an "Oh yeah" from someone, haven't you ? 

Still hardly convincing though, for all that. 

[Guest alex]

There was nothing in the way he handled the England side to make you think he knew what he was doing.

 

Not even losing just four matches in over five years? Qualifying for three tournaments in a row? Getting to the quarter-finals each time?

 

Since the WC I've come to the conclusion that it's not so much SGE that was overrated, but the players (and not least by themselves).

 

 

you honestly do just see it in numeric terms don't you?

 

All four of those losses came against equivalent opposition. How many equivalent opposition wins did he achieve? TWO!

 

when you can find me a Premiership team of a relative standard of San Marino, Azerbaijan or Lichtenstein, then you can come back to me

Without checking I'm pretty sure you could use a narrow argument like that (i.e. results against so-called top 10 sides) to 'prove' SBR was an average or poor England manager. Not that I think Sven was great or anything.

 

so why say it? The above details are FACTS

I can check it if you want. I was using my knowledge/memory from football in the past. I appreciate you won't be able to relate to that

Anyway, how are they facts? What definition of a 'top 10 side' are you using?

 

how many do you have?

 

ftr:

 

1 Argentina

2 Italy

3 Brazil

4 France

5 Germany

6 England

7 The Netherlands

8 Portugal

9 Czech Republic

10 Spain

 

 

You see Vic, I can remember Robson not qualifying for Euro '84 in France and losing all 3 games in Euro '88 and going out against the first 'top 10 team' we played in the knockout stage of both the 1986 and 1990 World Cups. Not having a go at SBR or his managerial talent in any way. Just showing how applying selective criteria proves very little.

 

yet you have no problem with the statement SGE only lost 4 matches in 5 years? interesting

 

 

As a factual statement, no. And it does tend to suggest he did have some clue as to what he was doing, which is all it was intended to do if you look back at it. You're the one who started applying selective criteria.