brummie Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Although Citeh are in a bit more of a fucked up state (at least externally, I don't know if things inside the club are as much of a shambles as they were at our place). Sven = good manager New owner = minted. All good. And who cares if his reputation is somewhat questionable. I'm sure Chelsea fans couldn't give a flying fuck about the provenance of RA's immense wealth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Eh? Didn't you buy that ex-Celtic player after teh takeover? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Eh? Didn't you buy that ex-Celtic player after teh takeover? Petrov? No, we bought him before the takeover went through. Although word has it that Lerner in some way helped us find the cash. Either way, the takeover had not gone through - my point is that City's will go through well before the deadline and the new manager should have a summer before the season starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Eh? Didn't you buy that ex-Celtic player after teh takeover? Petrov? No, we bought him before the takeover went through. Although word has it that Lerner in some way helped us find the cash. Either way, the takeover had not gone through - my point is that City's will go through well before the deadline and the new manager should have a summer before the season starts. I'd cringe of the thought of Sven been our manager especially with the stereotypical view of the farce we can be but maybe this is the sort of manager Man City need in order to progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Eh? Didn't you buy that ex-Celtic player after teh takeover? Petrov? No, we bought him before the takeover went through. Although word has it that Lerner in some way helped us find the cash. Either way, the takeover had not gone through - my point is that City's will go through well before the deadline and the new manager should have a summer before the season starts. I'd cringe of the thought of Sven been our manager especially with the stereotypical view of the farce we can be but maybe this is the sort of manager Man City need in order to progress. Why would you cringe at the thought of Sven? His club record is excellent. So, he fucked up at England, but that job has beaten many other excellent managers before him. And his games won record was very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Thoughts please..... Sven > Pearce Thai bloke with loads of cash > clueless debt ridden bloke So things must be on the up then! Had to be really, as I had you down as certs for the drop if you didn't get something sorted. Short term, think you'll be looking at something similar to Villa last year - enough time to get in a few key players before the new season, but too late for a real overhaul. Longer term, not too sure about Sven - getting on a bit now isn't he, and comes with colossal baggage - combination of him and the dodgy dictator means a potential field day for the tabloids.... They're in a much better position than we were before last season - our takeover went through after the closing of the transfer window. Eh? Didn't you buy that ex-Celtic player after teh takeover? Petrov? No, we bought him before the takeover went through. Although word has it that Lerner in some way helped us find the cash. Either way, the takeover had not gone through - my point is that City's will go through well before the deadline and the new manager should have a summer before the season starts. I'd cringe of the thought of Sven been our manager especially with the stereotypical view of the farce we can be but maybe this is the sort of manager Man City need in order to progress. Why would you cringe at the thought of Sven? His club record is excellent. So, he f***** up at England, but that job has beaten many other excellent managers before him. And his games won record was very good. Why? because he's a complete nutjob that's why, so he spent 150m with Lazio and won the league... doesn't make him a great manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 No but this does. .................................... IFK Gothenburg 1979-82: Swedish Cup Winners 1979 Swedish League Champions 1981 Swedish League Champions 1982 UEFA Cup Winners 1982 SL Benfica 1982-84: Portuguese League Champions 1983 Portuguese League Champions 1984 Portuguese Cup Winners 1983 AS Roma 1984-87: Italian Cup Winners 1986 AC Fiorentina 1987-89: SL Benfica 1989-92: Portuguese League Champions 1991 Sampdoria UC 1992-97: Italian Cup Winners 1994 SS Lazio 1997-2000: Italian Cup Winners 1998 Italian Super Cup Winners 1998 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999 UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999 Italian League Champions 2000 Eriksson is so far the only manager who was won the Double (League and Cup in the same season), in three different countries, having won it in Sweden, Portugal and Italy. ..................................... And with England he only lost 1 game in qualifying in 5 years and probably took us as far as we could go in the major tournaments (unless you think we're in the top 4 best national teams in the world(which we clearly aren't)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I actually like Sven as a coach. Think he'll do well with City. I reckon the main difference we'll see there is that in the games at home where they lost 1-0 or drew 0-0, which was pretty frequent, they'll draw them 1-1 or win them 1-0, just like Eriksson seemed to have the knack of doing in his time as England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 No but this does. .................................... IFK Gothenburg 1979-82: Swedish Cup Winners 1979 Swedish League Champions 1981 Swedish League Champions 1982 UEFA Cup Winners 1982 SL Benfica 1982-84: Portuguese League Champions 1983 Portuguese League Champions 1984 Portuguese Cup Winners 1983 AS Roma 1984-87: Italian Cup Winners 1986 AC Fiorentina 1987-89: SL Benfica 1989-92: Portuguese League Champions 1991 Sampdoria UC 1992-97: Italian Cup Winners 1994 SS Lazio 1997-2000: Italian Cup Winners 1998 Italian Super Cup Winners 1998 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999 UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999 Italian League Champions 2000 Eriksson is so far the only manager who was won the Double (League and Cup in the same season), in three different countries, having won it in Sweden, Portugal and Italy. ..................................... And with England he only lost 1 game in qualifying in 5 years and probably took us as far as we could go in the major tournaments (unless you think we're in the top 4 best national teams in the world(which we clearly aren't)) So it took him 15 years to finally get a job in a decent league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well considering he was manager of Roma 5 years after he started out and they were European Cup finalists the year before and obviously Serie A winners the year before that no it didn't take 15 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well considering he was manager of Roma 5 years after he started out and they were European Cup finalists the year before and obviously Serie A winners the year before that no it didn't take 15 years. Ye i skimmed it but leaving Sweden to goto Italy and then 10 years later or so he ends up managing in the Portuguese league... hardly looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well considering he was manager of Roma 5 years after he started out and they were European Cup finalists the year before and obviously Serie A winners the year before that no it didn't take 15 years. Ye i skimmed it but leaving Sweden to goto Italy and then 10 years later or so he ends up managing in the Portuguese league... hardly looks good. What about Bobby Robson leaving Spain for Holland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well considering he was manager of Roma 5 years after he started out and they were European Cup finalists the year before and obviously Serie A winners the year before that no it didn't take 15 years. Ye i skimmed it but leaving Sweden to goto Italy and then 10 years later or so he ends up managing in the Portuguese league... hardly looks good. What about Bobby Robson leaving Spain for Holland? working with Romario was too much of a lure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I mean the second time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I mean the second time. Look at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spectrum Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Seems most here are pretty confident that Sven is the man for the job... Personally, I'm in two minds. On the one hand, his record speaks for itself. I have no doubts over his ability as a manager (as long as we can get a good #2), and I've become somewhat indifferent to the media - There have been some absolutely scathing reports in recent days about Thaksin, I don't think I'll be arsed when the inevitable Sven is a muppet headlines start to appear. But my big worry is that we're going to end up as some sort of poor-mans galactico operation. Thaksin said he wants us to be big in the east...I really, really don't want us to sign names for the sake of names. Sven is by far the highest profile candidate, and we've already been linked to guys like Owen, and even Freddie Ljungberg. No the type of players I want to sign...we've got some moneys now so I'd prefer to get some players in who will go on to make their name with City rather than assorted washed-up "stars". I'm worried that we're targetting people for their pulling power rather than their suitability. Still, his first choice was Ranieri - who is no a big name but I thought was perfect for the job - so I'm probably being a little paranoid cos...you know, how do they say it - "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Seems most here are pretty confident that Sven is the man for the job... Personally, I'm in two minds. On the one hand, his record speaks for itself. I have no doubts over his ability as a manager (as long as we can get a good #2), and I've become somewhat indifferent to the media - There have been some absolutely scathing reports in recent days about Thaksin, I don't think I'll be arsed when the inevitable Sven is a muppet headlines start to appear. But my big worry is that we're going to end up as some sort of poor-mans galactico operation. Thaksin said he wants us to be big in the east...I really, really don't want us to sign names for the sake of names. Sven is by far the highest profile candidate, and we've already been linked to guys like Owen, and even Freddie Ljungberg. No the type of players I want to sign...we've got some moneys now so I'd prefer to get some players in who will go on to make their name with City rather than assorted washed-up "stars". I'm worried that we're targetting people for their pulling power rather than their suitability. Still, his first choice was Ranieri - who is no a big name but I thought was perfect for the job - so I'm probably being a little paranoid cos...you know, how do they say it - "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is". If Thaksin needs to hire a chairman famed for his expertise in targeting trophy signings for the sake of their name, I know of someone who's about to lose his job, he'd be perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 According to Shinawara's adviser on R5 just now, the figure he will actually pay for the club is about £22m (called, apparently, the equity value). The figure of £81.6m is the so-called enterprise value and reflects the debts. The debts are, according to the adviser, quite normal and repayable over 40 years. Sounds a bit of a bargain really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I've always had a soft spot for Citeh as at the COMS was my first away game. It's like the first lass you lose your virginity to. You don't want to see them do to well but quite happy for them to sort their mess out. I'm one of those who think Sven is a great manager, despite his stupid attitude sometimes. His reputation before becoming England manager was first class and for some reason despite being one of the most successfull england managers post war, he's come out worse. Suppose it was down to his off the field antics but the pressure at Man City will be alot different and i can see them making Europe in two seasons time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 You see the thing about Sven, everyone is so quick to heap praise on Scolari, yet when he came up against Sven he only beat him twice on penalties and once by an absolute fluke/stroke of genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 You see the thing about Sven, everyone is so quick to heap praise on Scolari, yet when he came up against Sven he only beat him twice on penalties and once by an absolute fluke/stroke of genius. I agree. Although, i do rate Scolari higher. The guys a genious on the international scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 You see the thing about Sven, everyone is so quick to heap praise on Scolari, yet when he came up against Sven he only beat him twice on penalties and once by an absolute fluke/stroke of genius. I agree. Although, i do rate Scolari higher. The guys a genious on the international scene. England had the better squad of players on both occasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spectrum Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 You see the thing about Sven, everyone is so quick to heap praise on Scolari, yet when he came up against Sven he only beat him twice on penalties and once by an absolute fluke/stroke of genius. I agree. Although, i do rate Scolari higher. The guys a genious on the international scene. England had the better squad of players on both occasions. I disagree. Certainly in ths case of 02. But even so, they're isnt much of a difference. 02: England: Seaman; Mills, Campbell, Ferdinand, A Cole; Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Sinclair; Owen, Heskey Brazil: Marcos; Cafu, Roque Junior, Lucio, Edmilson, Roberto Carlos; Gilberto, Ronaldinho(Sent off), Kleberson; Ronaldo, Rivaldo 04: England: James; Neville, Terry, Campbell, A Cole; Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes; Owen, Rooney (Vassell after he broke his foot) Portugal: Ricardo; Miguel, Andrade, Carvalho, Valente; Maniche, Costinha, Deco, Figo, Ronaldo; Nuno Gomes 06: England: Robinson; Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole; Beckham, Hargreaves, Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole; Rooney(Sent off), Portugal: Ricardo; Miguel, Meira, Carvalho, Valente; Figo, Maniche, Petit, Tiago, Ronaldo; Pauleta Anyways, I think the main reason Scolari gets such a tonguing was because of 04...Sven was seen as someone who always stuck by his big names no matter how they performed but Scolari had the balls to sub Figo...and it worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 More to do with when Ronaldinho got sent off Sven didn't have a clue how to make the extra man count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 You see the thing about Sven, everyone is so quick to heap praise on Scolari, yet when he came up against Sven he only beat him twice on penalties and once by an absolute fluke/stroke of genius. I agree. Although, i do rate Scolari higher. The guys a genious on the international scene. England had the better squad of players on both occasions. I disagree. Certainly in ths case of 02. But even so, they're isnt much of a difference. 02: England: Seaman; Mills, Campbell, Ferdinand, A Cole; Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Sinclair; Owen, Heskey Brazil: Marcos; Cafu, Roque Junior, Lucio, Edmilson, Roberto Carlos; Gilberto, Ronaldinho(Sent off), Kleberson; Ronaldo, Rivaldo 04: England: James; Neville, Terry, Campbell, A Cole; Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes; Owen, Rooney (Vassell after he broke his foot) Portugal: Ricardo; Miguel, Andrade, Carvalho, Valente; Maniche, Costinha, Deco, Figo, Ronaldo; Nuno Gomes 06: England: Robinson; Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole; Beckham, Hargreaves, Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole; Rooney(Sent off), Portugal: Ricardo; Miguel, Meira, Carvalho, Valente; Figo, Maniche, Petit, Tiago, Ronaldo; Pauleta Anyways, I think the main reason Scolari gets such a tonguing was because of 04...Sven was seen as someone who always stuck by his big names no matter how they performed but Scolari had the balls to sub Figo...and it worked. Sorry i didn't mean Brazil, i was talking about Euro 2004 and World cup 2006, so both Portugal games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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